When will the A1 / OS 4.0 bundle be available?

[MarkTime]

Rogue wrote:

Please guys, let's keep this civil.

I don't consider "more OS4 compatible than OS 4" and a call to reverse-engineer out work civil to start with.

I don't know if anyone remembers me, but I used to be a regular on these boards...just popping in for a visit.

I see nothings changed.

well, until next time.

[Naeem]

Very passionate.

I did check eyetech before I asked where to purchase the A1.  I would have to get it from a dealer to keep all the middlemen fat :-)

But anyways the only dealer registered on the site from the UK is http://www.amiga-centre.co.uk/.  I have sent them a couple of emails these last two weeks with no news.  The website is more of a holding page than anything else.

From what I can gather from this useful interchange A1 / OS4.0 prerel is already out there somewhere [thanks Technoid] - I need one - where / how?

Technoid, dont you notice the wealth of comments on here by people who came to the idea of going wholly PPC thanks to the OS4.0 push and then over the course of their chat here conclude they are off to buy a Pegasos?

Good call on the OS4.0 licencing comment.  Though Pegasos is explicitly saying that work is underway to bring the Amiga OS on to their platform.  That work might be to pay lots of Pegasos Beta-testers / empathisers to flood this site with pro-pegasos propaganda :-)  Personally I think Amiga OS should relax a little on the licencing stance, there has got to be room to negotiate.

By the way I'm new here but was born an Amigan.  

[mikeymike]

Regarding OS4 and the Pegasos, if it happens, it happens.  

Opinions of people who aren't employed at the companies are purely conjecture, or are basing their opinions on second/third-hand information (which may or may not be true at all) after a game of biased Chinese whispers, it's all a bit pointless really.

As for people who come in to take pot-shots of "nothing's changed", yeah, whatever.  There can only be one reason why you'd bother saying it, and that is to troll.  I'd prefer it if you didn't bother.  If  such people continue these little games, I will moderate their posts.

[JKD]

Mike,
     seems like a fair stance, but let me try and explain his opinion in a somewhat less troll-like fashion.

To you, me and the 100s of other people still passionately following the Amiga and assosciated news sites, many more things are obvious because of intimate knowledge.

To someone returning to their 'old haunts' after years of absence, it's a mess! To qualify that, I'm going to point fingers at everybody ;-)

In the absence of clear direction and leadership, the baton has been taken up by the remaining user community (the developers of both 'Amiga like' alternatives do so because of the legacy of their time with the OS and the challenge of pushing it forward...surely not for large amounts of cash.)

Because of this, the companies in charge are lazy (some more so than others) and are following the trend - letting the users market their products for them. A degree of this exists with all products but the balance is shifted too far in the 'Amiga like' 'markets'

It's unacceptable (in my opinion) for Hyperion to say "When it's done..." *unless* we are in 'under the radar' mode until OS4 is ready for true commercial release?

What is the damned target market?
If it's current user base then all the sales that are going to happen probably already did beyond a few of the 'wait and see' merchants. (In fact a lot of sales were lost due to missed deadlines and scarce availability of hardware!)

If it's the ex-user base then companies better get off their backsides and start updating websites, providing real and up to date information on the product and stop relying on (polluted) user forums to do the work.

I don't consider 'new users' a viable alternative because neither MorphOS nor OS4 is viable at this point in time nor is the hardware cost acceptable at an entry point level when considering price:features/function ratio.

Over and out...

Steve

PS Credit to Michael Salcedo of the SACC user group for setting me up for this rant ;-)

[mikeymike]

@ JKD

Points well-made.  I agree with one or two of them :-)

I think that Hyperion are probably using the best strategy they can.  A combination of a new product for a limited audience, the product needs to be tested by that limited audience for the product's sake as well as for business reasons.  There is little point in doing a massive advertising campaign to target non-Amiga users because other than the OS what else is there to offer currently.

I think the takeup that Hyperion is expecting, eg. limited but steady increase, is realistic with the right amount of optimism.  Bear in mind optimism has been a requirement from the start of the OS4 project, given the Amiga's history.

I think once OS4 is released, Eyetech/Hyperion should get it out to techie media reviewers, pushing it from a "this is the new start for Amiga, the first milestone" perspective.  Trying to compare the viability of OS4 to other more established operating systems wouldn't go well for OS4, but to say "a better version of this, plus some decent supporting software, is what we want to be showing you in a few years' time", would be a good plan.

[JurassicCamper]

@Naeem

Sven Harvey is now the UK dealer for AmigaOnes.

Drop him an email or visit his website

www.stellardreams.co.uk

[HopperJF]

JKD wrote:
Mike,
     seems like a fair stance, but let me try and explain his opinion in a somewhat less troll-like fashion.

To you, me and the 100s of other people still passionately following the Amiga and assosciated news sites, many more things are obvious because of intimate knowledge.

To someone returning to their 'old haunts' after years of absence, it's a mess! To qualify that, I'm going to point fingers at everybody ;-)

In the absence of clear direction and leadership, the baton has been taken up by the remaining user community (the developers of both 'Amiga like' alternatives do so because of the legacy of their time with the OS and the challenge of pushing it forward...surely not for large amounts of cash.)

Because of this, the companies in charge are lazy (some more so than others) and are following the trend - letting the users market their products for them. A degree of this exists with all products but the balance is shifted too far in the 'Amiga like' 'markets'

It's unacceptable (in my opinion) for Hyperion to say "When it's done..." *unless* we are in 'under the radar' mode until OS4 is ready for true commercial release?

What is the damned target market?
If it's current user base then all the sales that are going to happen probably already did beyond a few of the 'wait and see' merchants. (In fact a lot of sales were lost due to missed deadlines and scarce availability of hardware!)

If it's the ex-user base then companies better get off their backsides and start updating websites, providing real and up to date information on the product and stop relying on (polluted) user forums to do the work.

I don't consider 'new users' a viable alternative because neither MorphOS nor OS4 is viable at this point in time nor is the hardware cost acceptable at an entry point level when considering price:features/function ratio.

Over and out...

Steve

PS Credit to Michael Salcedo of the SACC user group for setting me up for this rant ;-)

Well said!

[MarkTime]

mikeymike wrote:
As for people who come in to take pot-shots of "nothing's changed", yeah, whatever.  There can only be one reason why you'd bother saying it, and that is to troll.  I'd prefer it if you didn't bother.  If  such people continue these little games, I will moderate their posts.

My nickname is MarkTime and my real name is Robert Dupuy.  Who is this 'People who say 'nothing's changed'??

I hope that's not passive aggressive behavior, that would be a bad sign in a moderator.  Another bad sign, is when someone thinks they can read minds, by giving motivations to posts.  It's best to moderate based on what's actually said, not what you think someone is thinking...since reading minds is a fallacy.   Another piece of good advice is to be professional, not shrill with remarks like 'little games'...which just demeans yourself.

It is clear that you remember me, but a lot of people don't...I've been gone for a long time, and to a new observer, your response is way out of wack ,compared to my innocent observation.

My remark was actually motivated by the observation that nothing has changed. Having left and come back...it is clearer having this perspective, and not being part of the day-to-day anymore, that amigans really do bicker too much...I don't hang out here much anymore, as you can tell, I don't think I've posted in months...and that isn't really going to change either.

Feel free to moderate these posts.  You couldn't pick a better person to moderate, I won't complain, and likely not to notice. (its really more of a problem for your regulars, who have to copy and paste the post and e-mail it to each other later...so much easier if its just still there you know?)


*edited* cause I don't have time for the usual back and forth....sorry, I know thats selfish, but I probably won't check for the response...I am too busy these days....love a good troll though ;-)

[Naeem]

$ nslookup www.stellardreams.co.uk
Name:    www.stellardreams.co.uk
Address:  212.67.202.241

$ nslookup www.amiga-centre.co.uk
Name:    www.amiga-centre.co.uk
Address:  212.67.202.241

Oh dear.  Do you know if Sven is on hols or anything?