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Offline Mike_Amiga

OS...
« on: January 25, 2003, 03:34:10 AM »
X or 10 as I'm told it's supposed to be called runs on a UNIX base. How do people think of this OS? As a bastardised version of UNIX or a clever incorporation of UNIX? Are you happy it was incorporated (about time) or annoyed Apple have started acting like M$ ripping off other peoples inventions?

How much difference is there between UNIX and LINUX?
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  • Guest
Re: OS...
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2003, 03:35:16 AM »
I personally think its the best thing Apple ever did...it should have come out in 1995 or so... but better late then never.
 

Offline Damion

Re: OS...
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2003, 04:52:10 AM »
It's one of the only reasons left to use a Mac,
IMO.
 

Offline FluffyMcDeath

Re: OS...
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2003, 06:40:01 AM »
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Mike_Amiga wrote:
X or 10 as I'm told it's supposed to be called runs on a UNIX base. How do people think of this OS? As a bastardised version of UNIX or a clever incorporation of UNIX? Are you happy it was incorporated (about time) or annoyed Apple have started acting like M$ ripping off other peoples inventions?

I don't think it's so much bastardized as ... well, I supopsed enhanced. It's a BSD based system, with a Mac skin over the top, and it's quite nice actually. We have a nice little iBook here at home, and the wife likes the regular Mac stuff, and I like having all the familiar *nix tools at the terminal. Perl is already there, and awk and cron and vi or emacs if you prefer etc.

I find myself using it quite a bit.

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How much difference is there between UNIX and LINUX?


Hmmm. Lot's, and not much.
While the actually code between various *nixes is different, the API's are more or less standardised so that most code written in C is trivially portable between them.
 

Offline iamaboringperson

Re: OS...
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2003, 03:37:22 PM »
the kernel itself(BSD) IS the operating system
IMO: its probably the best version of unix outthere from the ordinary users point of view, especialy for beginners

probably a bit memory/HDD hungry though
 

Offline DaveP

Re: OS...
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2003, 03:40:17 PM »
Whilst I love UNIX and have grown to respect Linux
I don't love MacOS X yet.
Hate figure. :lol:
 

Offline iamaboringperson

Re: OS...
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2003, 03:48:37 PM »
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DaveP wrote:
Whilst I love UNIX and have grown to respect Linux
I don't love MacOS X yet.

ive never actually used MacOS X(ten) yet, but i know that xwindows is one of the main things that slows unix/linux down! so the macos gui is probably faster! but ill just have to see....
probably the only thing i would prefer about it might be the gui, but like i said, i havnt used it yet
 :-)
 

Offline DaveP

Re: OS...
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2003, 03:52:25 PM »
"x-window slows it down" ( paraphrased )

Yes and no. Xfree's codebase is notoriously generic
( even though they have performed a magnificent effort in producing subdivisions ) that it is slow.

However the "pro" ( read: non Linux at the moment ) UNIXes like AIX from IBM, HPUX from HP ( amazingly ) and even Slowlaris from SUN have extremely efficient and rapid X-window implementations.

The trade off between the power of X11Rx and the power it consumes is in my view well worth it.

export DISPLAY=wayne.amiga.org:0
xv playboy091102.jpg & <- thats 9th November btw

Hate figure. :lol:
 

Offline Skippy

Re: OS...
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2003, 05:03:00 PM »
I've not personally had the opportunity it use this new version of OS, however, I've heard good reviews from friends and colleagues regarding the look, feel and performance.

Skippy
Squareroot of all fluffiness.
 

Offline AntonioX

Re: OS...
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2003, 05:14:30 PM »
Hi Mike_Amiga

I have to you many times that you should get it for our mac it pisses all over OS9, its great to use it makes me feel almost like iam using  an amiga.
I find it much better then XP with all the probs I had with that at home and work.

Regards

Antoniox
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Offline ShadesOfGrey

Re: OS...
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2003, 07:55:20 PM »
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Mike_Amiga wrote:
X or 10 as I'm told it's supposed to be called runs on a UNIX base. How do people think of this OS? As a bastardised version of UNIX or a clever incorporation of UNIX? Are you happy it was incorporated (about time) or annoyed Apple have started acting like M$ ripping off other peoples inventions?

How much difference is there between UNIX and LINUX?


As I understand it, Mac OS X is basically a blend of BSD and OPENSTEP running on a modified Mach 3 kernel, with a Mac OS skin.

You can read more about the core technologies, here  Truth be told, Mac OS X isn't exactly a rip off.  Long story short, after Jobs left Apple he founded NeXT and created the NeXTStep OS, which later became OPENSTEP.  Apple bought NeXT and Jobs became interim CEO (now permanent?) and Apple integrated OPENSTEP w/ BSDLite 4.4, slapped on Aqua and came out with Mac OS X.


As for the differences between Unix and Linux...  Basically, different kernels.  IIRC, Linux could end up an official flavor of Unix.  An OS only need conform to the POSIX standard in order to be called Unix.

(If I'm in error about POSIX=Unix, please fellow A.org users, correct me)
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Offline mikeymike

Re: OS...
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2003, 08:17:24 PM »
MacOS X's GUI is *not* the 'X window system' (xfree86.org), Apple wrote their own GUI on top of the BSD-base operating system.

The X window system (as people here have decided to mean "X" as MacOS X) is being ported to MacOS X, or has been already, I can't remember.

Offline DaveP

Re: OS...
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2003, 08:10:07 AM »

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As for the differences between Unix and Linux... Basically, different kernels. IIRC, Linux could end up an official flavor of Unix. An OS only need conform to the POSIX standard in order to be called Unix.

(If I'm in error about POSIX=Unix, please fellow A.org users, correct me)


Hate to correct such an interesting response but you are right in your concern that POSIX might not == UNIX.

You only have to be POSIX compliant to be... POSIX compliant.

Linux has been POSIX compliant but not certified for a while now although that might have changed.

Linux is a firm member of the uncertified "UNIX" family.

The best place to ask is comp.unix.questions, and here is one that was prepared earlier:

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Subject: What makes an OS a "UNIX" OS?

I had a long discussion with some co-workers yesterday about what is and
isn't UNIX.

We argued whether or not Linux was "UNIX".  In AEleen Frisch's book
"Essential System Administration, 2nd Edition" from O'Reilly, AEleen
states that Linux is a "..UNIX like" operating system.  But why?  Why is
it "UNIX Like" and the other OSs (ie Solaris, AIX, HP/UX, etc...)
mentioned in the book are not labeled as such.  They are simply "UNIX".

Also, a few of my co-workers wanted to argue whether or not a *BSD
system was UNIX.  If I'm not mistaken, BSD was a licensed copy of AT&T's
original UNIX OS for them to do with as they please.

Most of the current "UNIX" or "UNIX-like" OSes today are simply a meld
of SysV or BSD.

So what gives?  Personally i just throw them all under the heading of
UNIX.  But, then I ask myself 'is Mac OS X a UNIX?' and I find myself
saying 'well, its UNIX-like', heh =)

What must an OS have to be called UNIX?


... but the real answer is certification.

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The strict answer is: Only systems that the Open Group
has certified as being UNIX(tm) are UNIX(tm).  See
"http://www.unix-systems.org/what_is_unix.html".  Solaris,
Tru64, AIX etc. (particular hardware/software combinations)
falls into this category.  History doesn't enter into it.


So UNIX == UNIX && POSIX == POSIX but POSIX => UNIX and ! UNIX => POSIX
Hate figure. :lol:
 

Offline DaveP

Re: OS...
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2003, 08:13:07 AM »
@monkey_mike

Something that people might get confused about:
" 'X window system' (xfree86.org),"

X window is NOT defined by xfree86 but X in the X11 spec.

xfree86 is an implementation of X11 and is far from the best implementation on the planet.
Hate figure. :lol:
 

Offline zurt

Re: OS...
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2003, 11:49:19 AM »
hummm I don't love LINUX either. I always had the impression that LINUX was the bastard son for the GNU Utils, whilst the real kernel for the GNU Utils is HURD!!!!!

TOÑO
zurt

AmigaOS user since 1989
MorphOS user since 2003