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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2004, 09:18:20 AM »
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As far as I can tell: ....not even you is counting on Amiga...


Only Amiga Inc, only Amiga Inc. I do believe in the community and every attempt to make more out of it. But like it was said, Amiga Inc. is only working on AmigaDE. Maybe it's a good thing anyway. The CAM Magazine is still on delay. It would be no surprise if it will not return anymore. What eats me is that you have this loyal group of people taking it everytime. How can you treat them like that? Without them there is no market so consider to be a bit more open for once and don't act so stupid.

Alan, from Eyetech, (which I swear saw playing in The Beast part 2) is doing a lot to promote the hardware. Mostly China comes up but the thruth is that if you gain some attention there is might grow out into something big. Maybe they could do a small game device with OS4 as the "game-os".

Is there anyone that has more info on KMOS? I have heard nothing about them or their plans. I am sure they have not said anything about OS4 etc. I know there was this interview but that gave us just about nothing.

I am sure I am stepping on some peoples toes with my remarks but I am just stating facts. With some personal feelings. But even the bucket does not believe in Amiga Inc. anymore. And then you know it's really bad.

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2004, 09:31:49 AM »
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 Maybe let's not wait for KMOS at all. I'm sure they have some good(if ever) reasons for being quite. Let's respect their rights, 'The right to remain silent'.
 Let just do our part instead. Support what ever it is necessary to support and start thinking big. Let's not get too serious on wheather or not KMOS thinks. It's what WE ALL think that is important!!! We have rights too you know! :-D

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2004, 11:28:17 AM »
I find it amazing that there are still people who still don't realize that AmigaOS (or Peg for that matter) will never be more than an obscure hobby platform on the fringe of the computer universe. Just enjoy using your Amiga, that's all there is to it.

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2004, 11:43:57 AM »
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find it amazing that there are still people who still don't realize that AmigaOS (or Peg for that matter) will never be more than an obscure hobby platform on the fringe of the computer universe.


I disagree with you on that. Comparing to Windows? Sure. But with some changes it certainly can enter the profit market. That it's worth while to develop for.

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2004, 11:47:33 AM »
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I find it amazing that there are still people who still don't realize that AmigaOS (or Peg for that matter) will never be more than an obscure hobby platform on the fringe of the computer universe.


So do I.

I love the Amiga to bits, and much prefer it to my PC, but IMHO the Amiga has had its innings and shouldn't be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. For me, the future for the Amiga is with WinUAE as a retro/hobby platform for nostalgic/curious PC users who can experience the best of both worlds.

Besides, WinUAE will keep the Amiga spirit alive long after the original hardware has died!

Just my personal opinions! :-)

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2004, 11:54:30 AM »
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Bohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Your not worthy! :-P

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2004, 12:23:32 PM »
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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2004, 02:09:27 PM »
Guess we got a little off topic now,
discussing the Amiga future as a platform.

Back to basics: So my idea is no good, is that it?

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2004, 02:44:29 PM »


I think it's a feeble idea.



Seriously, it shows a lack of understanding of the real problems and issues that plague the Amiga market today.

PPC boards ARE too expensive. This is not because of the low volume, but because the lack of competition allows their makers to keep the prices high, which gives them bigger profit margins per unit. Higher volume - and I don't believe the current set of motherboards or those planned for the near future will ever be "mass produced" - will not really drop the prices at all. Only savage competition does that, and there's no sign of any on the horizon.

Piracy did contribute to many people leaving the Amiga market, but not in the way everyone thinks. The simple truth is that every popular platform gets piracy. The more popular you are, the more piracy you have to deal with. The Amiga scene was hurt not when piracy was at its highest, but when the market started falling and the number of pirates was still high. Piracy accelerated the downfall, but did not cause it. Poor expensive hardware and the parent company's incompetence did that.

Piracy is here to stay. It will be around no matter what is done to combat it. The only way to deal with piracy is to factor in the effect when you formulate your business plans. The big software companies know this. They use piracy as an excuse to implement all sorts of restrictive or intrusive measures that help them in other areas, but they know that they can't actually defeat the pirates. It's like trying to drain away the ocean.

So, in conclusion, I do happen to think it's a silly, pointless idea with no merit whatsoever. Sorry to be so blunt about it.
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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2004, 02:48:08 PM »
The idea is sound for me, but there are several issues(legal) that should be addressed. I beleive for the Amiga, as a platform, to be viable again, certain companies should focus which market to take.
 In my point of view, the short term is  by Games Consumer market. Long term goal, that company must find a way to gain a niche market on High-End System again, like A graphics workstation or Internet Solutions. The rest would follow suit, hopfully. Maybe then, the 'Amiga Idea' would work.
 What would the world be like without our Amiga?

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2004, 02:59:18 PM »
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When mass production of AmigaOne main boards makes cost more efficient, one would expect prices to drop. My idea is: Let us keep prices, but let Amiga Inc. (or whoever) gather licenses from every single classic software licensee for a fixed price and then sell a BIG package of classic software (and now I mean as much classic software as possible) for free, but included in a license that comes with the buying of the AmigaOne main board.


I also happen to think that it's a silly, pointless idea with no merit whatsoever. Sorry.

Nobody outside the existing Amiga community would be the slightest bit interested in a big package of classic Amiga software, except for the existing Amiga community (us!) who probably own it all already anyway.

Think about it from another point of view... would you buy the latest Pentium 4 motherboard for a ridiculously high price if it came bundled with ancient PC software from the late eighties and early nineties that you'd have to run through emulation? Thought not.

The Amiga needs to be re-launched with new state-of-the-art hardware, a new OS, and a long list of brand-new software launch titles before anyone outside the Amiga community even begins to feel tempted to leave the comfortable world of their PC. Ironically, most companies with enough money to do this (Microsoft, Apple, Sony) already have invested interest in other rival platforms.
 
The argument of 'we must buy the hardware first, and the software titles will follow' isn't going to convince anyone who isn't already an Amiga fanatic.

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2004, 03:51:03 PM »


It's regarding how to get people to pay for web-comics but the logic is essentially the same.
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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2004, 05:33:34 PM »
@StevenJGore

Very valid points.  That is why I made the comment that it's all up to us.  It's a hobby platform at this stage, and the only way to make it into anything else is new productivity software that has some hope of competing with the current market.   New games wouldn't hurt either.  Hell I bought an Xbox because I wanted one game that was only available for it.  That PROVES I'm out of my mind.  :-)

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I'm thinking that the money used to license old software would be better spent porting newer software like Mozilla and OpenOffice wouldn't you agree?
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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2004, 10:37:00 PM »
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I bought an Xbox because I wanted one game that was only available for it
Ditto, but most people don't do this.  New consoles are sold at a large loss, which is made back through games (and now online services) - there's no way a hobby games console could compete with that, and IMO pursuing a games market would be a BAD idea simply because it couldn't compete on any level (when someone writes a driving game better than Project Gotham Racing 2 on XBox I'll be happy to eat my words).

Anyway, BTT, IMO This idea is not completely without merit, but Hyperion are already doing this to a certain extent - Genesis, IBrowse (cut down or otherwise), MUI as standard, in fact most of the extras over it being a barebones system are updated versions of well established Amiga software.

I see no reason why packaging some older OS friendly games and apps (ones that work under the built-in 68k emulation, not UAE) would be a bad thing - kinda like a 'starter' kit.  Such old programs could be used for little or no money, but they'd have to buy it outright.

I also think that with a push from the current community the A1/OS4 could pull back ex-Amiga users and new users, but they'll want to browse the internet, do small business type serious work, and play at least some games (a mix of fancy 3D and older ones).
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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2004, 02:23:13 AM »
Consoles are not sold as a loss.

Sony makes millions of dollars PROFIT from ps2 sales
not to mention games.

But oh well.


Im buying a peg II soon.
i suggest everyone do the same.

the classic amiga hardware is really dead.
It took me a while to relise but i have,.

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Re: A suggestion to keep the Amiga spirit alive...
« Reply #29 from previous page: June 08, 2004, 03:16:40 AM »
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mikrucio wrote:
Consoles are not sold as a loss.

Sony makes millions of dollars PROFIT from ps2 sales
not to mention games.




Wrong.

Playstation 1:
http://www.alexassoc.com/white/sony.shtml

XBOX:
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-912973.html

Article about PS2's european lauch at http://www.gameszone.co.uk/Features/playstation2/playstation2europeanlaunch.htm  says:
"Traditionally, manufacturers make little  or no profit, or even a loss, on consoles to establish a large user base.  These losses are then recouped through software sales."

and over here, about the release of the psx:
"The unveiling of the PSX was the highlight of a presentation by Sony executives outlining a new strategy to calm investor jitters after the company last month reported a worse-than-expected loss of 111 billion yen ($945 million) for the January-March quarter."
at: http://www.inreview.com/archive/topic/4446.html


Console machines do not traditionally sell at a profit, and Sony is not making "millions" from Playstation 2 sales.
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