OS4 on the pegasos

[vic20owner]

Tired of spyware? Stop using Internet Explorer, and read the license agreement before installing sofware. Some legitimate companies install spyware but they disclose it in the agreement.  

Internet Exploder on the other hand.... don't even get me started.  I refuse to use it.  I'm using Firefox only.

I do still occasionally run SpyBot... just in case.

I don't understand how these companies get away with spyware, especially the exploit variety.  They hack our boxes to steal information, and call it a business.

Where's the Unibomber when you need him?

[B00tDisk]

Spybot Search and Destroy + CWShredder + AdAware6 = no more hijacking.  I just use the Windows Scheduler to run 'em for me late at night when I'm not on.

[Hammer]

It is a Windows-only problem

Try using google on spyware and linux e.g. http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Linux+spyware&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&meta=

As Linux(X86)distros enters mainstream(e.g. Lindows 4.5), it will be targeted for spyware.  Spyware has a relationship with the number installed base and marketing. Marketing usually targets the largest potential audience. Sadly, AmigaOS and clones barely make it to 1 percent of desktop OS market share.

It being touted as a superior machine to run games on, because it's not

Why not post some benchmarks e.g. UT2003, UT2004, FryCry, AquaNox2, X2 "The Threat", Quake3 and 'etc'.

I have no doubt it performs well, but that's where the buck stops

Try “Transaction Per Second”(TPS) benchmarks.

[Van_M]

Sadly, AmigaOS and clones barely make it to 1 percent of desktop OS market share.

I think you are massively exagerating, my friend. Unless there are only a million desktop computers, out there, amigas are more like 0.001% of the total desktop market.

[Hammer]

Van_M wrote:

Sadly, AmigaOS and clones barely make it to 1 percent of desktop OS market share.

I think you are massively exagerating, my friend. Unless there are only a million desktop computers, out there, amigas are more like 0.001% of the total desktop market.

I tried to be generous for the old girl.

[Hammer]

This goes totally against the Linux mindset.

Note that Linux was born for the X86(i386) platform i.e. cheap *nix like OS for cheap X86(i386) cloned box.  This is during background of non-X86 RISC workstations with their own *nix variants.

Should one start quoting Linus in relation his affinity with X86 processor (e.g. blasted Intel on IA-64)?

[Cymric]

Hammer wrote:

It is a Windows-only problem

Try using google on spyware and linux e.g. http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Linux+spyware&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&meta=

Slapping two words together and feeding them to Google's search engine does not mean that the pages turned up have relevant information on them. May I politely suggest you click on a few of the links thus returned and try and find stories of users claiming spyware got into their Linux machines? I have clicked on dozens (literally), but haven't been able to find any.

It being touted as a superior machine to run games on, because it's not

Why not post some benchmarks e.g. UT2003, UT2004, FryCry, AquaNox2, X2 "The Threat", Quake3 and 'etc'.[/quote]
Ouch! :oops: :oops: :oops: Is my face red... Yes, I have to stand up and admit that I was very, very wrong here. Apparently things have improved considerably since I last read a review on 64-bit CPUs!

Looking back, I can understand why I thought it shouldn't make (much of) a difference. One of the conclusions of the very first review on 64-bit CPUs over at Tom's Hardware was that you really needed proper 64-bit code in order to see a (minor) difference. A second conclusion was that standard 32-bit code (most programs, including games) would not really profit from a 64-bit CPU, save for the case when SSE and SSE2 instructions were used. Apparently games are no longer using table lookups in order to avoid some costly mathematical function evaluations...  

I have no doubt it performs well, but that's where the buck stops

Try “Transaction Per Second”(TPS) benchmarks.[/quote]
I think I specifically stated that there are undoubtedly areas and applications where 64-bit systems outperform 32-bit ones, but that it is highly unlikely that ordinary home users will be working in those areas or with those applications. I think transaction management can be classified in that category.

[jeffimix]

It's always possible to make a 32bit CPU as fast as a 64bit CPU, that's not the issue. 64bit CPUs can address scads more RAM or Harddrive space much more elegantly.

Heh, just jumped in on the last page here, seems OT now that I look at the topic...

[Holley]

Thats true, and with the current trend in software being 'bigger is better' I dare say it won't be long until hugely powerful 64bit processors are /needed/.  Hopefully something Amigaish and G4 based will last for a good while yet.

[Karlos]

Slightly OT,

Cymric wrote:

Apparently games are no longer using table lookups in order to avoid some costly mathematical function evaluations...  

Well, that's because the CPU is now so much faster than the main memory that unless your lookup table is very small (ie will fit in the cache), reading a value from memory can often prove more expensive than calculating it there and then.

[Hammer]

Slapping two words together and feeding them to Google's search engine does not mean that the pages turned up have relevant information on them. May I politely suggest you click on a few of the links thus returned and try and find stories of users claiming spyware got into their Linux machines? I have clicked on dozens (literally), but haven't been able to find any.

An example of a spyware on Linux is the key loggers. To get them installed; one has to go the “social engineering” routine.  

As for Mozilla, refer to http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
i.e. search on "security" and sort by severity.

One could go to
http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/04/05/21/0153202.shtml?tid=126&tid=154&tid=172&tid=95

Ouch!    Is my face red... Yes, I have to stand up and admit that I was very, very wrong here. Apparently things have improved considerably since I last read a review on 64-bit CPUs!

They have improved chipset drivers for K8 based motherboards.  

In regards 64bit improvements over 32bits i.e. with X86, improvements can be gained by increasing to 16 GPRs and 16 XMMs. This is unlike PowerPC 32bit vs 64bit where their ISA is relatively ‘clean’.  

[Hammer]

jeffimix wrote:
It's always possible to make a 32bit CPU as fast as a 64bit CPU, that's not the issue. 64bit CPUs can address scads more RAM or Harddrive space much more elegantly.

Note that with X86’s 64bit transition phase, the ISA will be cleaned/fixed by increasing their GPR and XMMs to 16, while dumping X86-16 (Dosbox emulator may substitute the lost features).    

[Hammer]

A select handful will jump out of the browsing environment and hack themselves into the main system.

They would require MS scripting engine to be turned on and/or other service ports(135, 139(NETBIOS), 1024(DCOM), 5000(UPnP) and etc) to be opened to world. In Windows 2003 Server (NT 5.2), the MS script engines are turned off by default.

That is why it is a Windows/IE-only problem: no other combination I know of allows such easy hijacking and modification of the browser by outside parties, despite you trying your best to surf cleanly and patch your system as often as you can

Could you point me to a malicious web site that will compromise a properly configured Windows setup?

A reasonably properly configured Windows setup would include
1. DCOM crippled. This is for Distributed COM objects i.e. use for remotely executing COM objects.  
2. Firewall applied for all ports including service ports(applied only for Internet Connections).
3. At least all of April 2004 patches. At worst, MS’s Feb 2004 Security Update CD.  
4. Privacy set to at least "Medium High". Cookies blocked except for trusted sites.
5. "Security Setting" set to high. Special attention to ActiveX scripting by disabling them or setting to prompt at minimum.
6. Strict software installation regime i.e. only trusted software to be installed.
7. Web surfing via limited account not the usual admin level account.

[mikeymike]

Agree with Hammer, but minus points 4 - 7 and replace with "use a different web browser, and don't use crap apps that require IE to work".

PS: There are guides on my site to installing Win2k/XP to be secure, as well as seperate articles about tweaks to disable DCOM etc.

[magnetic]

@Ikir

YOU are the one spreading false infos. The ARTICIA bug DOES EXSIST. Anyone on an industrial level knows this. MAI has a bad rep because of it. There IS a big demand for an alternate PPC solution beside MAC. Why do you think there are no Teron boards being used in the computer world? Because of your friend Articia. If you say but DMA works in OS4 its due to a "work around" in the OS4 drivers.

Let us pray that MAI uses the Articia P with Eyetech for the next A1. (and pray it works)

Also ask yourself why would a company like Genesi waste a year of time and money to get off of the Articia and go to Marvell?  The gains are nice too - DDR Ram, Onboard GiGEthernet, better bus speed, etc.

  If you run linux on your amiga 1 then you know that its bugged and thats why the A1 in its present state cannot be sold on enterprise level. You would also know that the onboard sound doesnt work. If you examine your board and look at the ide and floppy connectors they feel unfinished. That board was not meant for public usage, its a dev board. (to Eyetech's credit they said this)

Now.. as to people saying a Pegasos or A1 cant meet all your computer needs:

I have a Pegasos 2 g4@1ghz with 512mb DDR Ram and Dual gfx cards and I run:

Morphos 1.4.2 for Amiga compatilibilty and native MOS stuff. ( tremendously fast)

Debian with 2.6.6 GNU/Linux kernel which I run Open Office (for M$ Office compatiblity like loading Word docs, Powerpoint, Excel spreads, saving pdf, etc) Mozilla and Firefox webbrowsers which support all the internet standards, K3b a free DVD/CD burning program, and other FREE superb utilities like the Gimp a Photoshop like program

Best of all I run Mac On Linux which enables my Peg to run OSX Panther (10.3) and also OS9. I use OSX for internet and running mac osx apps like Photoshop 7 and Safari, Xchat Aqua, Internet Explorer (yech)  and more! I run OS9 for classic apps and games..

So... everything I need all in one computer!


OH and to be On Topic: Genesi has attempted to speak to Hyperion about getting OS4 for Peg but it seems this conflicts with their present business model and wont happen. ( And if anyone from Hyperion says this is not the case please email Genesi a proposal)

magnetic
 

[Acill]

Well said Magnetic! I agree the Amiga One in its current state is not a good system at all. The Pegasos is a much better product.  I think OS4 is starting to look nice, but its no MorphOS and its not on the Pegasos. If you were to use a Pegasos even for one month you would be sold on it for life. Trust me I know. I was all for the A1 before I decided to give the Pegasos a try.