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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #14 from previous page: May 14, 2004, 10:23:04 AM »
There is a problem with the A4000 machines where some surface mount capacitors go faulty, normally causing intermittent or no audio output from the standard RCAs at the rear.

In a worst case scenario, the caps actually leak electrolyte all over the surrounding PCB, and I saw an A4000 whose PCB pads had actually been disintegrated which made replacement of the capacitors nearly impossible.  I attempted the repair and only found limited success.

Electrolytic capacitors do have a short life, relative to other types of capacitors - it's one of the disadvantages to using them in designs.  But I don't think Commodore ever envisgaed that we'd still be using their machines 10 years after the bankrupcy!! That means most of our machines are over a decade old, and unfortunately with that kind of age they're ripe for electrolytic capacitor failure.

To add to the misery, I think the main cause of the cap failure in the audio part of the A4000 board was due to Commodore sourcing a cheap batch of Capacitors whose quality wasn't as good.

Generally, I think serious Amiga users should now be keeping an eye on their motherboards.  If a problem is spotted early enough, it can normally be recitified quite simply.  If it's left to it's own devices, the leaking electrolyte causes damage to surrounding components which may cause a write-off motherboard :-(

People need to be checking for bulging or leaking electrolytic capacitors!

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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2004, 05:58:34 AM »
Okay, but no one actually said how to test capacitors still on a board to see if they are within spec.  The "dried out" ones that don't leak anything obvious are the ones I'm wondering about, but of course anything bulging or leaking would be a giveaway.
So if I take out my multimeter, then....?
 

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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2004, 12:26:11 PM »
to see this, you might need a scope. the voltage will "wobble" if the capacity is not high enough anymore. OR just solder the capacitor off the board and measure the capacity.
if theres nothing leaking and the machine is working well, theres no need to worry, even if the capacities are not 100% anymore. when the capacitor influences the functionality, you WILL see it :-D
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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2004, 04:02:06 PM »
The capacitors could leak, or even blow, if they polarity is reversed. That would be a design problem. It exists in
the audio circut but I don't know about any other circuit with that problem.
Also, electrolytic caps do dry out after some years.
I use a 22 year old Mitsubishi amplifier (back from the days
when their amps were good and high quality) which I almost
fried that way... The 6000mF caps were down to... 1800mF...
The power supplied to the transistors was... a sinewave...
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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2004, 06:35:15 PM »
@ aardvark,

First, short the cap so no charge left, then set meter for OHMs, put meter across each lead observing polarity, the resistance should increase a lot. The bigger the cap, the longer it will take to rise (charge).This will work on most circuits with cap in place, on some you will have to remove it first.

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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2004, 08:16:36 PM »
I'll add something here.

On sunday I powered up my A600 for the first time in 9 months and I smelt something funny, like a leaking battery. As I had replaced the clock battery last year, I knew it could not be that.

Audio was scratchy. I opened the unit and woe and behold, a 22uF electrolytic, C303 near the Audio filter had leaked. There was some black goo on the PCB which I removed with PCB cleaner.

My dead CD32 supplied a replacement part and it works fine now.
 

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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2004, 08:20:08 PM »
A600 doesn't come with a clock battery.
 

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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2004, 09:05:24 PM »
Some of the A600 expansions do. I bought a modified one second hand, it uses a non-leaky li-ion battery.
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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2004, 09:10:52 PM »
Yes, expansions mostly do. I'm not sure if that's what he meant when he said that he replaced a bettery on his A600.

The only "computer-in-a-keyboard-case" Amiga model with on-board motherboard battery was the A500Plus.
 

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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2004, 09:44:29 PM »
The battery I replaced was on my A601 1MB expansion :-D

I mentioned the battery as the smell wa ssimilar to that when a battery has leaked.
 

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Re: Electrolytic Capacitors--Problem on Amiga Circuit Boards?
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2004, 09:50:01 PM »
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The only "computer-in-a-keyboard-case" Amiga model with on-board motherboard battery was the A500Plus.


I had quite the scare with my A500+ when I first heard about the leaky batteries. I instantly popped it open, and there was the battery, all furry and bulging! :-o

It actually started leaking when I was snapping its tiny legs off, man that things was ready to go.. I replaced it with a similar battery. I shoulda put it off-mobo but I could still do that.

I love that machine! The A500s are built like bricks compared to the other wedges, you can just feel that when you pick one up.
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