Amiga monitor

[evil_nerd]

Hello,

I can get an Amiga monitor for free. But my parents won't be to happy with yet another monitor on my room (you and your ***** computers :pissed: ) But I've seen the monitor, and it doesn't have a 23 pins connector in the back. The connector seems to have 15 pins... So I thought, maybe it's a multisync monitor or something :-) But which ones where multisync? Are there others which I can connect to a PC? 8-)

[odin]

Which monitor is it?

[evil_nerd]

euhm, I don't know... I am by a computer/electronics hobbyclub (bad English :lol: ) There I've got Amiga software and a Power Supply for my old Amiga that I've bought for 5 euro... It works fine on my TV, and they have standing a few Commodore monitors. I don't know the type, but that's what I'm asking... Which ones are multisync, then I can check it out saturday :-)

Maybe someone reconices this one: it is 15" I think, has boxex built in in both sides, and on the back is an port which is NOT 23 pins (MAYBE 15 pins...) It has a stereo input and a monochrome (MAYBE its color?) input to...

[drwho]

well, with the stereo connector and the monochrome it *sounds* like a 1084S-D1. It should have a 9-pin connector on the back for digital RGB which you should be able to get a cable for.

If you could send a picture that would be very helpful. One of us could definately identify it for you.

If the connector on the back is a 9-pin male connector, I have a 9-pin male to Amiga 23 pin RGB cable that is a spare which I would be more than glad to send to you free of charge to help you get your Amiga running.

Keep us posted!

Thanks,
- Mike

[Cyberus]

evil_nerd wrote:
euhm, I don't know... I am by a computer/electronics hobbyclub (bad English :lol: ) There I've got Amiga software and a Power Supply for my old Amiga that I've bought for 5 euro... It works fine on my TV, and they have standing a few Commodore monitors. I don't know the type, but that's what I'm asking... Which ones are multisync, then I can check it out saturday :-)

Maybe someone reconices this one: it is 15" I think, has boxex built in in both sides, and on the back is an port which is NOT 23 pins (MAYBE 15 pins...) It has a stereo input and a monochrome (MAYBE its color?) input to...

Hi, see http://amiga-hardware.com/monitors.html

for descriptions of different Commodore monitors.
And there are enough Dutch people on here that you could probably use a little Dutch if you don't know the English , and they also tend to be quite helpful (a national trait, or just coincidence?) :-)

[evil_nerd]

drwho wrote:
well, with the stereo connector and the monochrome it *sounds* like a 1084S-D1. It should have a 9-pin connector on the back for digital RGB which you should be able to get a cable for.

If you could send a picture that would be very helpful. One of us could definately identify it for you.

If the connector on the back is a 9-pin male connector, I have a 9-pin male to Amiga 23 pin RGB cable that is a spare which I would be more than glad to send to you free of charge to help you get your Amiga running.

Keep us posted!

Thanks,
- Mike

It doesn't seem like the 1084S, it has NO plate to stand on... I'm not sure if it's a Commodore monitor, only thing I know is that it is a monitor that can be hooked up on an Amiga :-D

[evil_nerd]

Which ones are common MultiSync? Which ones match my discription? Then it's easier for me to check if it is something for me :-)

-edit-

Oh yes, and are they useful? I don't wanna use my PC at a resolution of 640*480 256 colors :-)

[MrBang]

There are a lot of monitors that are Amiga compatible that weren't made for the Amiga.  Once, there were a lot more.  If I remember right, the old CGA graphics on MS-DOS/Windows machines used to require monitors that scanned down into "native" Amiga ranges.  With the advent of EGA, then VGA and SVGA, monitors didn't need to scan down that far anymore.  

So it is quite possible that you have found an Amiga compatible monitor that doesn't have a 23 pin connector.  Since most of these old monitors weren't made for Amigas, they usually won't have a 23 pin connector.  Some of these monitors have speakers, most don't.  Back then, sound cards for the MS-DOS/Windows machines were in their infancy, so sound was handled with a speaker inside the computer that bleeped and blooped.  With sound like that, it was widely held that monitors didn't need speakers.  Some of the old monitors (with speakers) even had television tuners so they could be used as televisions.  (This was way before TV tuners were included on video cards.)  Many companies once made monitors that scanned low enough to be used with Amigas (NEC, Princeton, Viewsonic, Sony, etcetera).

I have an old NEC Multisync II that scans down to 15.5 KHz.  It has a 9 pin D connector.  I had a custom cable made for it by Redmond Cable Company ("The weird cable company...") to use it on my Amiga.  I recently replaced it with an NEC 3D that scans down to 15 KHz.  It has a 15 pin HD connector.  I use the Commodore 23 pin to 15 pin adapter (part 390682-01) to use it on my Amiga.

So while I can't exactly help you identify which monitor you have, nor can I list the dozens of Amiga compatible monitors out there (especially since I don't know them all), I can tell you that just because it doesn't have a 23 pin connector on the back doesn't mean it can't be used with your Amiga.  If you can find a way to connect it, it very well could work.

For what it's worth....

[MrBang]

I suppose I could also mention that I used my Commodore 1902 monitor for years with my Amiga 1200.  The 1902 was one of the monitors that Commodore made for the Commodore 128 (which is what I bought it for).  It had a 9 pin D input on the back for digital RGB and "RCA" (or "phono") connectors for the composite inputs.  While Redmond Cable told me they could make the appropriate cable for me to use the digital RGB (which the Amiga can put out), I found it easier to just use the 1200's composite output.  The cost of the cable just wasn't worth it for the inferior digital RGB (most Amiga monitors use the Amiga's superior analog RGB).  Besides, the composite display was more than acceptable (and far better than using the RF modulator with a television).

I should also point out that Commodore made a 1902A monitor.  I got one from my grandparents (who also owned a Commodore 128).  Like the 1902, it had speakers.  But it also had a monochrome switch.  And instead of the 9 pin D and RCA connectors on the back, it had DIN inputs (which kind of makes sense, seeing as how the C64/128 used a lot of DIN connectors anyway).  Maybe you've got something like that, but I'm more inclined to go with my earlier response.  Good luck.

[odin]

@evil_nerd:
Pics! We need pics! :-).

[evil_nerd]

MrBang wrote:
There are a lot of monitors that are Amiga compatible that weren't made for the Amiga.  Once, there were a lot more.  If I remember right, the old CGA graphics on MS-DOS/Windows machines used to require monitors that scanned down into "native" Amiga ranges.  With the advent of EGA, then VGA and SVGA, monitors didn't need to scan down that far anymore.  

So it is quite possible that you have found an Amiga compatible monitor that doesn't have a 23 pin connector.  Since most of these old monitors weren't made for Amigas, they usually won't have a 23 pin connector.  Some of these monitors have speakers, most don't.  Back then, sound cards for the MS-DOS/Windows machines were in their infancy, so sound was handled with a speaker inside the computer that bleeped and blooped.  With sound like that, it was widely held that monitors didn't need speakers.  Some of the old monitors (with speakers) even had television tuners so they could be used as televisions.  (This was way before TV tuners were included on video cards.)  Many companies once made monitors that scanned low enough to be used with Amigas (NEC, Princeton, Viewsonic, Sony, etcetera).

I have an old NEC Multisync II that scans down to 15.5 KHz.  It has a 9 pin D connector.  I had a custom cable made for it by Redmond Cable Company ("The weird cable company...") to use it on my Amiga.  I recently replaced it with an NEC 3D that scans down to 15 KHz.  It has a 15 pin HD connector.  I use the Commodore 23 pin to 15 pin adapter (part 390682-01) to use it on my Amiga.

So while I can't exactly help you identify which monitor you have, nor can I list the dozens of Amiga compatible monitors out there (especially since I don't know them all), I can tell you that just because it doesn't have a 23 pin connector on the back doesn't mean it can't be used with your Amiga.  If you can find a way to connect it, it very well could work.

For what it's worth....

I know it can be used for the Amiga... My problem is that I already have 2 monitors on my room, and don't have space for more. I not yet wanna dumb my peecee, so I hope it's some kind of multisync. I can't use Windoze 98 in CGA, so it must be able to display 800*600 or higher in reasonable colors :-)

[evil_nerd]

odin wrote:
@evil_nerd:
Pics! We need pics! :-).

I don't have pics... :-(  Oh, I just should have looked at the type number... :-(

 :-D