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Offline Tomas

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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #14 from previous page: May 02, 2004, 06:26:21 PM »
I personally have zero problems with debian and its apt-get... I find apt-get much better than redhat's sucky RPM system..
I have not yet had any depedencies issue on debian.

There are some badly made debian packages out there, but all official ones should work fine..
 

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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2004, 10:34:26 PM »
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My personal favourite was from trying Linux a few years ago, where I wanted to install package A. Package A depended on package B, which depended on package C. Package C wouldn't install without package B.


Hmm I don't see your point ... What are you trying to say ?
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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2004, 10:58:45 PM »
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My personal favourite was from trying Linux a few years ago, where I wanted to install package A. Package A depended on package B, which depended on package C. Package C wouldn't install without package B.

Hmm I don't see your point ... What are you trying to say ?

Slight chicken-egg issue? :-)
 

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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2004, 11:32:59 PM »
Mandrake is pretty stupid, too.  The package installer allows you to select a ton of packages all at once, and it supposedly works out dependency problems beforehand.  But when you install, it informs you of "additional" dependency problems in the middle of installation.  Instead of automatically selecting them, it simply lists the ones you need, and QUITS!  Your only option is to write down the names of all the dependencies you need, select them manually, and restart the installation.  It took me forever just to install the C programming tools.  I tried to just installing everything possible, but there are multiple versions of each tool, and they will conflict with each other, so you have to select everything, then deselect the tools with version conflicts.

I really hate Linux packages, when a good 'ol Setup.exe will suffice.  Tar.gz files wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't so much typing involved.  As a Windows user, I really hate having to use command prompts unnecessarily.
 

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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2004, 02:17:23 AM »
I'm using Suse 9.0 Pro and Yast checks my machine for any missing dependancies and notifies me before the install. I've been very happy with it. If I am missing a dependancy I download and install it, then continue with the rest of my install.
 

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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2004, 07:23:11 PM »
Hint to rpm users, it took me a while to get this one. If your trying to install RPM A and it ask for B BUT, B ask for A, install them at the same time.

Call me stupid but when I first started that killed me. I usually ended up compiling it anyway.  :lol:
 

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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2004, 09:27:18 PM »
In general i dont like package management systems, too much bloat. But FreeBSD does it right. you can just invoke /stand/sysinstall , select the ports option from the menu, it connects to a ports server via ftp , and you select the programs you want to install. It downloads all the source and dependencies for you, configures and compiles, leaving very little mess on the system, it's a beautiful thing.

I have a few pc's at home running FreeBSD with apache and mysql on 200mb harddrives with some breathing space left on the disk.

I dont use linux much, but when i do i prefer the core linux distrobution. http://coredistro.sourceforge.net/
It's a minimalist distro, no real package system, you compile everything from source, by hand, which isnt really that hard these days.

For some reason a lot of people seem to start off with a standard build of their favorite distro, and strip it down. I prefer to start off stripped and build up...

In general, i think most people dont care if their os takes a gig or two when they have 38 gigs free on the disk.

if you want a slim *nix box with a descent package management system check out freebsd or netbsd, you will probably like it. :-)
 

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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2004, 09:37:31 PM »
Go for mandrake and then use

urpmi "name of rpm you want to install"

it automatically gets the dependencies it needs.
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Re: Is there a Linux this this ?
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2004, 12:01:06 AM »
I guess some of you guys didn't catch what I meant.

(ok, the subject "Is there a Linux this this?" has a bug
 :-D . It should be "Is there a Linux like this?" ) :laughing:

What I wanted was a eficient (in terms of disk space) package management.

Let me explane again :

If I was a good c/c++ programmer and have some free time and experience in Linux, i'll do the following package managment system :

OK, let's consider that nasty pack A which only needed a tiny wheeny little file from the bloated pack B  :-)

My great pack managment system would do the following :
 * install pack A
 * copy ONLY the required file from pack B
 * flag somewhere that pack A is completly installed
 * flag somewhere that pack B is incomplete

Now, since pack B wasn't needed to be completly installed (and it was not), its dependency from pack C really doesn't matter, so pack C (and D, E, F, till infinity) will not be installed !

That's it. Simple as that. Is that hard to make something so efficient like this ?

That's Amiga like 8-)

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