Sabrina has bought a new Amiga!

[takemehomegrandma]

Argo wrote:
It's a BSD box! :lol:

OpenBSD for Pegasos is still around, even if it won't be developed in the future by the same (official) developers (like Dale writes on that page: "Others are definitely welcome to contribute!", so feel free to continue maintaining that port ;-)). Or am I wrong?

For the "BSD" people, there might be coming some NetBSD, FreeBSD and ekkoBSD ports in a not so distant future. For others, the many different flavours of Linux might do the job just as well?

And other's are more interested in MorphOS! ;-)

[guest1955]

takemehomegrandma: I take it you are on a commision basis.  :-P

[AndrewKorn]

tangletown wrote:
Might I suggest you take a gander at the Sandman graphics novels- truely groundbreaking stuff that lifted the business from the realms of being a kiddy market (There's even a retelling of A Midsummer Night's Dream in it).

Apologies to all for going OT, but I don't see how you can claim that. No disrespect to Neil Gaiman who's work I admire  greatly (although it amuses me hold a grudge about him nicking one of my ideas ;-) ), but it has to be said that "the business" never did get lifted from the kiddy market realms, as a lycra-and-bad-anatomy count through the covers in your local comic shop will clearly indicate.

The comic biz keenly fanfares some standout title as the thing that lifts them into the realms of serious art every few years, but clearly doesn't have the will to follow through.    

[takemehomegrandma]

tangletown wrote:
takemehomegrandma: I take it you are on a commision basis.  :-P

Absolutely, my commission is that I get Pegasos computers in exchange for a part of my salary!  :-P  :lol:

BTW, it seems like I am not the only one buying lots of Pegasos computers!  :-o  :-o  :-)  :-D

[guest1955]

@AndrewKorn

But do you not agree that there is not a large variety of comics that focus on different subject matters other that the classic good V bad in tights; Strangers in Paradise anyone?
Browsed through any of Vertigo's offerings?
 
I beleive that Messrs- Gaiman and Moore have certainly raised the game: I'm proud of their work and wouldn't shy away from being a fan. They're contributions have also had a knock on affect to the "lycra-and-bad-anatomy" comics that you speak of.

[Argo]

They are buying Linux boxes. I doubt you are buying that many!

[Panthro]

Technically, the last Amigas died with Commodore. Really. I am mentioning this because of the ten year anniversary. Eyetechs A1 is not an Amiga in any other way than the brand stickers (which it lacks), and Hyperion's OS4 is a new OS with (hopefully) some grade of Amiga compatibility, and some Amiga brand sticker tagged on to it. It will probably be a nice OS however, hopefully at least as nice as MorphOS.

I'm surprised you think so , after all we are talking technically. the OS4 is based on the original code of the OS we all love so much, yes the hard-ware is much more generic (bummer) but hey if the Peg2 was endorsed and ran OS4 it'd be amiga enough for me... however I am not really that interested (although much more than in say BeOs even) in an OS that is just a compatible imitation (although quiet nice!!) of the offical "name tag" ...... but is it just a name tag if it is infact an evolution of the original OS code ? :-?

[Argo]

Amiga OS 4.0 is more Amiga than Apple's OSX is Mac System OS.

[Panthro]

maybe we all better go tell mac that osx is not really a mac operating system anymore :-D

[gary_c]

They are buying Linux boxes. I doubt you are buying that many!

The details haven't been announced, but it's no doubt true that most "outside" buyers have Linux in mind. Still, MorphOS ships with every board, so the exposure can't hurt. And every sale helps for Genesi, as it's both a hardware and software company. In any case, I don't see the point of a negative attitude.

Amiga OS 4.0 is more Amiga than Apple's OSX is Mac System OS.

Of course OSX is a huge advance beyond classic MacOS; this is pretty much agreed on by everyone. If that makes it less "Mac System OS," (i.e., pre-OSX versions), so be it. Why fixate on legacy if it means sacrificing progress? AOS4 hasn't made the huge leap from 3.x that OSX made from classic MacOS, but maybe future versions will get there.

-- gary_c

[Waccoon]

Technically, the last Amigas died with Commodore. Really.

Definately.  Funny how people are still arguing over whether the AmigaOne or the Pegasos is the most "Amiga", when the AmigaOne and OS4 haven't even been released, yet!

but is it just a name tag if it is infact an evolution of the original OS code?

Design principles and UI design are what define an OS, at least as far as the user is concerned.  As far as architecture is concerned, OS4 is supposed to be largely updated, if not fully rewritten.

I don't care if it's Amiga or not.  I just want it to work the way a computer should.  That seems unlikely, though.  OS4 doesn't even support user accounts.  It makes me wonder just how the heck they intend to improve on system security,  the biggest problem with Windows.

Amiga OS 4.0 is more Amiga than Apple's OSX is Mac System OS.

Well said.  I used to be a Mac sysadmin, so all I can say about classic MacOS is "good ridance!"

Why fixate on legacy if it means sacrificing progress?

That assumes that all change is progress.  Take a look at Windows and how much it's progressed over the years.

Apple had a history of stagnation before Steve took over again.  It never ceases to amaze me that while Microsoft came out with the Start Menu, a huge improvement on the Mac equivalent, Apple just sat on their butts and let their system age.  The only thing more pathetic than the fact MacOS 8 still didn't have an Apple menu that supported drag-and-drop, is the fact that MacOS 9 didn't, either.

Of course, that's because the Mac was SO GOOD, it didn't NEED to improve.  Sounds just like Commodore, really.  That probably explains why they nearly went bankrupt before they "bought" NeXT.

Now if only the Linux folks would pick up on that.  I'm tired of having to do everything with command prompts in an age where 3D graphics at 1280x1024 at 100 FPS is the big thing.  MacOS X is my vision of a "proper" version of Linux.

[seer]

That seems unlikely, though. OS4 doesn't even support user accounts. It makes me wonder just how the heck they intend to improve on system security, the biggest problem with Windows.

Actually, because Windows is a Multi User OS is the reason it has so many security problem.. That and because everything is integrated in the system (Mediaplayer, IExplorer, TCP/IP stack etc etc..)

[Dan]

AndrewKorn wrote:

The comic biz keenly fanfares some standout title as the thing that lifts them into the realms of serious art every few years, but clearly doesn't have the will to follow through.    

I never understood the need to be serious art anyway.
Maybe thats because to me "serious art" means mentalpatients who gets state funding because nobody understands their "art" :lol:

[AndrewKorn]

tangletown wrote:

But do you not agree that there is not a large variety of comics that focus on different subject matters other that the classic good V bad in tights; Strangers in Paradise anyone?
Browsed through any of Vertigo's offerings?

 I wouldn't say a "large variety", although there's certainly some great stuff out there. The thing is, there always has been - George Herriman was producing some amazing stuff 90 years ago. The problem as I see it is that there has been very little progression. Despite the claims, I see no real evidence that the medium has made any great advances in the main.
 Comics as a genre are barely younger than movies, yet there have been far more great movies than great comics. The 80's was supposed to be the decade that comics "grew up", but it seems to me that there's considerably less variety, experimentation and sheer quality now than there was then.

[Waccoon]

Actually, because Windows is a Multi User OS is the reason it has so many security problem.

Are you serious?  Windows is designed to be used by multiple people, but it most definately does not utilize independent user accounts.  The fact that any program can access any file has nothing to do with it?

That and because everything is integrated in the system (Mediaplayer, IExplorer, TCP/IP stack etc etc..)

So?  It doesn't matter if a tool is built into the OS or not.  What matters is what permissions it has.  IE, MediaPlayer, and Outlook are insecure because even though the executables are located outside the Windows folder, they frequently poke around the system folders and write config information into the monolithic registry, which is just wrong.  It's worth pointing out that Linux has TCP/IP built into the kernel, too (for performance reasons).

[Panthro]

It's worth pointing out that Linux has TCP/IP built into the kernel, too (for performance reasons).

yeah and it's worth pointing out that Linux has it's security issues as a result :lol:  not to mention that the information it sends over a network on a terminal setup.....

Look I'm not gunna say the AmigaOne hardware has custom chips but I am not gunna say that "if an OS changes owners it's no-longer thae same OS" or "if it is overhauled :lol: " or if "the hardware is out sourced"

I wish that our Amiga's still had cutting edge CUSTOM chips but thats not realistic..... however OS4 is and thats how (depending on results) I am going to upgrade...

like I said yeah the AmigaOne is more generic but it IS the closest thing to a real Amiga as it is the only one (at this stage fingers crossed) that will run the real AmigaOS!!


-now flame on AmigaOs clone users. :admonish:  [edit]<--sorry I was moody[edit]