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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #164 from previous page: January 12, 2003, 01:02:29 PM »
@Helgis75

Seeing Amiga Inc and cartel as some White Knight with a Sword Of Truth helps no-one. Nor does accusing Bill Buck of deliberately spreading lies.

Bill doesn't have to, there are plenty of people on ANN that do that.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #165 on: January 12, 2003, 01:08:42 PM »
Unfortunately, many at ANN may be MorphOS-fans. That's the problem. For Amiga it's important to show people their true faith and spirit in the Amiga. That's why they have to convince people about their truth.

This is important, but when their products are actually out early February, then you will all see the truth they have tried to make everyone being convinced of...

I get mails from Fleecy and Ben Herman quite often, and they really are telling me what's going on...When you are a true, loyal Amiga-fan, and you have the faith in the new owners, of course you get this kind of positive responses and feedbacks...with the certain truth of informations...
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #166 on: January 12, 2003, 01:11:26 PM »
This are your exact words:

"Genesi are the ones not allowing AmigaOS4 to be ported to their board...."

No I'm not gonna search the whole net for a few quotes, but you can
explain to my why the A1 cost more than a Teron from TerraSoft ?
Or how AInc is gonna make some money on this when the OS-licence
is free and they are getting very little for OS4 itself (according to Ben H.).

AInc should decide what they want:
a) Sell A1/OS4 as "full" systems, which limits them to HW-vendors
very close to them.

b) Sell OS4 for "every suitable HW" which is impossible with the current licence.

The Pegasos is Genesi's product, and they decide to whom they sell it
under what conditions.

OS4 is(will be) AIncs/Hyperion#s product and THEY decide how they are
gonna sell it. And not HW-vendors refusing to sign a licence.

But thats all just rethorics, cos the current situation allows
Genesi's market-share to grow, and it will be very hard for OS4
to compensate that headstart without compromising on the licence.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #167 on: January 12, 2003, 01:13:47 PM »
@-D-
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So....why not have both options available?
If those hubcaps had to go only on an '86 escort,
how many people would still buy them, even if they
were totally slick?
Sure. That'd be nice if that option was available. At this point in time, however, it's not.

I don't totally agree with everything that's being done with the A1/AOS. That doesn't mean, though, that I should take up arms against it as a whole and side with Genesi, which it seems some have done.

Genesi have been playing it very cool. They seem (imo) to be saying just enough to make them appear to be more open than Hyperion/A.Inc.

'Morphos runs on unmodified Teron boards' Cool. It can. Can I buy Morphos to run on it? Not at this time. Will I be able to in the future? Who knows. And that's the point. We all know full well what it takes to run AmigaOS 4.x. All I really know about Morphos at the moment are what *can* be done, not will be done. Yet (some) people assume that can == will and therefore we should all side with Genesi.

AOS 4 isn't out yet. Until it is, I see no reason (for myself) to make a firm commitment one way or the other. Do I want to run AOS4.x and therefore lean towards A1/AOS? Sure. Until both are on the shelves, I do believe that I have the free will to change my decision at any point.

There is no red pill. There is no blue pill. There isn't a right answer that fits all.

As a side note, there are limits for the classic users on both sides right now too. AOS will not support the Grexx and Morphos doesn't do much for users of Elbox products. (EEK! More limitations?! B@#t*%ds!)

Anyways.. My 2 cents worth.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #168 on: January 12, 2003, 01:13:56 PM »
@Helgis75

Why dont you tell your heros to act professional and update their websites,

As for the "Anyone that says anything negative about the Amiga are MorphOS fans" is just pathetic.

 

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #169 on: January 12, 2003, 01:16:16 PM »
Fleecy have asked Alan to update their website about the reason for the delay. They are just quite busying completing their work for the final release, promised for early February....

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #170 on: January 12, 2003, 01:18:01 PM »
It's certainly even more pathetic to don't believe the only true people owing the right to bring the Amiga into the future, Amiga Inc, Hyperion and Eyetech.

Do not listen to Bill Buck-inspired lies, and the BPlan/Genesi. If you are a true Amiga-fan, you will know the right...

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #171 on: January 12, 2003, 01:19:55 PM »
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Fleecy have asked Alan to update their website


What kind of (so called) professional company needs to be told to update it`s website?

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #172 on: January 12, 2003, 01:23:16 PM »
Right...it's even unnecessary, cause they know they do an excellent job...It's just the people not being fan of AmigaOS, but MorphOS-fan, who want to listen to Bill Buck-inspired lies trying to hunt and track down the AmigaOne and OS4....
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #173 on: January 12, 2003, 01:23:20 PM »
@Paul_Gadd on 2003/1/12

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #174 on: January 12, 2003, 01:25:49 PM »
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"Genesi are the ones not allowing AmigaOS4 to be ported to their board...."

OK fair enough, that was a typing error. I went back and corrected it now. It was supposed to be AmigaOS4 port to be sold with their board.

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No I'm not gonna search the whole net for a few quotes,

Then you cannot claim to have substantiated your assertion.

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 but you can
explain to my why the A1 cost more than a Teron from TerraSoft ?

Straying from the point somewhat eh?

Firstly this was because the Vendor ( in this case Eyetech ) can order in volume and resell cheaper than an individual board purchase from the manufacturers, but now a market has been opened up in theory ( interest shown on Slashdot etc ) then other vendors are in on the act who expect to sell in greater numbers so the base board costs less from them. Simple economics. If you are prepared to put in a volume order or the manufacturer believes they are going to sell in volume then the marketing evaluation of the price will drop significantly.

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Or how AInc is gonna make some money on this when the OS-licence
is free and they are getting very little for OS4 itself (according to Ben H.).

I don't know. I can speculate it is because AInc don't expect to make money on AOS4 and see it is an effort to keep a developer community there that was slipping away and probably still will. Perhaps it is a loss leader. I am nothing to do with Amiga Inc however so I can do nothing more than speculate. I am certainly not an Amiga Inc apologist.

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AInc should decide what they want:
a) Sell A1/OS4 as "full" systems, which limits them to HW-vendors
very close to them.

Looks like they have done (a).

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b) Sell OS4 for "every suitable HW" which is impossible with the current licence.

Not really impossible, hindered maybe. If you think there is a suitable HW platform out there and you are prepared to pay or do the porting then you can license it for that HW if you have a business plan. This is the real world of business deals in a tight market Kronos. You have to be able to walk the talk and all that.

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The Pegasos is Genesi's product, and they decide to whom they sell it under what conditions.

whilst decrying others who take exactly the same stance. Like below.

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OS4 is(will be) AIncs/Hyperion#s product and THEY decide how they are
gonna sell it. And not HW-vendors refusing to sign a licence

Ill sign the license AND PAY FOR THE PORT but it is GENESI that are PREVENTING ME ... THE VENDOR ... FROM DOING SO IN A RESALE AGREEMENT SEE ALL MY POSTS UP TO NOW.

Sorry to shout but I don't seem to be getting through to you quite what limitations Genesi is putting on prospective vendors. I don't give a flying f**k if Genesi don't want to sign up but they are stopping all resellers from signing up. They are in effect dictating how the "Pegasos" can be resold, in fact deliberately it appears to stop AOS4 and Pegasos bundles from appearing on the market.

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But thats all just rethorics, cos the current situation allows
Genesi's market-share to grow, and it will be very hard for OS4
to compensate that headstart without compromising on the licence.

I don't think compromising on the license has anything to do with it. Getting a product out of the door has EVERYTHING to do with it.

MorphOS will either be a passing phase or it will become the competitor OS to AmigaOS. It will only dominate the Amiga market IF no copies of AmigaOS4 appear this year.


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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #175 on: January 12, 2003, 01:32:05 PM »
@Helgis75

What has Bill Buck got to do with a company not updating it`s website?

Next you will be blaming Buck for the delay of G4 chips,

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #176 on: January 12, 2003, 01:33:58 PM »
blah screw this post...
 

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #177 on: January 12, 2003, 01:35:30 PM »
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It will only dominate the Amiga market IF no copies of AmigaOS4 appear this year.      


Or if Genesi show a working eclipsis.
Or if more MOS-SW appears than for OS4.
Or if Eyetech fail to deliever (again).
Or if MOS is vastly superior to OS4.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #178 on: January 12, 2003, 01:36:23 PM »
the eclipsis intrests me quite a bit... Kronos have you heard anything about it?
 

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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #179 on: January 12, 2003, 01:37:09 PM »
Ehm, sorry but Genesi don't restrict what you can
run on their boards. They just don't want to sign
anything with Amiga Inc. cause the last thing they
signed was a miserable failiure on the A Inc. part.
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