Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!

[WarPiper]

there is too much crap going on about amiga OS4, why not just waite and see IF it comes out, then judge it and wine all you want about it.

trust me, I will be sitting back reading all the complaints and maybe a praise here and there to help me make my dicision on waisting (or investing) any more money into the Amiga Cult

Pegasos,Barbie...both use ArticiaS chipset...and have 'standerd' bios...

[samface]

so samface since you now admit the license is arbitrary what motivation do you think A.inc/etc have in not letting OS4 run on pegasos/barbie ?

1. The Pegasos? But surely you know that the very same company has created their own AmigaOS clone and therefore has very little interest in having AmigaOS run on their hardware? Like Hans-Jörg said, it's about support from the hardware manufacturer. Imagine beeing an AmigaOS user or developer and calling them for hardware support. Besides, I doubt the AmigaOS will ever run on their hardware regardless of the licensing scheme, believing differently is beeing nothing but naive.

2. The Barbie? I'm sorry but that Linux dude is the kind of guy that expects others to create software specificly for his hardware on their own initiative. That's not how it works. If he gets a userbase for his hardware then maybe, but that on the other hand requires software for it. What has Hyperion to gain from making support for his hardware with basicly a non-existent userbase? Nothing. What does he has to gain from having AmigaOS4 support? I'd say a whole lot. Wake up and smell the coffee...

[Korodny]

@Seehund:

Ah, but there is no dedicated hardware platform for AmigaOS. The Teron boards are not dedicated to any OS. A mobo will run any OS that's compatible with it. For the Teron boards that has predominantly been Linux.

You didn't understand what I was trying to say. "Dedicated hardware" = hardware who's primarily sold to customers that want to run AmigaOS4 (see below).

No, Eyetech has never been a sole alternative since the Escena A1-1200/4000 projects failed. They're "just" another computer shop and distributor. The Teron boards have never been dependent on Eyetech.

I never said the AmigaOne hardware is something special. The special thing about the AmigaOne is that Eyetech targets AmigaOS customers. They're gonna do support for the Teron/OS4 combination, they'll bundle OS4 with their hardware and they guarantee to favour AmigaOS4 over any other OS (unlike Genesi or Apple for example) For crying out loud, they're marketing it as "the Amiga" (and they're even willing to let Amiga Inc. act is if it was their own product).

Please read my lips: That's what Hyperion demanded. They wouldn't have done OS4 otherwise.

You didn't name any other candidates that could have met these requirements - let alone were interested in doing so?

The current dependency on Eyetech is an artificial invention, which has arisen from a licensing deal.

No. It has arisen from Hyperion's condition that somebody must provide a dedicated hardware platform for OS4 - see Rogue's posting.

Precisely. There's no reason to why a user of AmigaOS should be treated as a retard compared to if he was running e.g. Linux.

I just gave you a reason. Terrasoft is not interested in AmigaOS (at least not as much as Eyetech).

If a customer prefers one vendor (for whatever reason; price, support, geographic proximity, ugliness of the logo, whatever) over another for the EXACT SAME product, he should naturally be allowed to choose that vendor for his purchase.

This is healthy and desperately needed competition.

"grotesque", "desperately needed competition", "OS4 customers treated as retards"? Please stop talking in buzzwords and show me a viable alternative. How could Hyperion's demand for a dedicated hardware platform have been fullfilled without the licensing scheme?

By the way, even before Terra Soft became a Mai VAR/distributor (which of course has been anticipated since the first hints that they were testing YDL on the boards), Mai sold the boards themselves, cheaper than Eyetech.

What has that got to do with the topic we're discussing?

Nonsense. The very existence and the development and sales of Teron boards have never been dependent on Eyetech. That's a ludicrous notion.

I never said that. I said that the existence of the AmigaOne (rebranded Teron boards which are bundled with AmigaOS4) has been dependent on some sort of protection.

[ple3003]

Wake up and smell the coffee...

Actually i've had like 8 cups of coffee already...
All i'm saying is i want to run AOS4 (actually 4.2/4.5 because i don't like some parts beeing 68k code) on my peg. I hope something will be done to the GUI, and yes i think that is as important as the new feauters in AOS.
i wont be posting in this thread from now on, because i feel we are getting nowhere.

[samface]

Besides, just because there are exceptions to the terms of the licensing scheme, like the Phase5 hardware for example, that doesn't mean it's arbitrary. It's a matter of beeing practical. It's the exception that confirms the rule, you know.

[ple3003]

Beer anyone? Or maybe a soda for those of you, not drinking alcohol? It's on me...  :-D

[Rogue]

The easiest solution would be for Genesi to licence AmigaOS. I don't see why they shouldn't, seeing how many of their customers want it.

Don't say "money", don't say "dongle". You don't know how much this would cost (if anything at all), and the dongle could be a usb plug.

[Rogue]

Where did you get that information about the Barbie? I never saw any mention of it using an Articia.

Care to comment about the support issue?

[Alkemyst]

What i find funny is that Most ppl knew about the license  &
That the Pegasos did not have a license for Aos4. But they bought it anyway.
And now they are moaning at Amiga.inc/Hperion for Aos4 support on it.

There maybe another silly bunch who may buy a barbie if it ever comes out.
Even tho they have been told NO AOS4 for that board.
And yet will come moaning at Amiga.inc/Hyperion for Aos4 support on it.
 

This is exactly what Hyperion has been saying to why you buy authed Hardware or go with out.

10 or so PPC mobos may come out & emails comming from all over the place from ppl who want Aos4 on the mobo they just bought,
with out Hyperion know how many copies they are likley to shift for that mobo & would it be worth the expence & effort.
 
With out the docs cos that firm did not want to give out its PPC mobo secrets to such  a small player. We have seen this already with a make of PCI bussboard & a well known gfx card maker.

I doubt that many here would want to play HALO, but would get a PS2
& then harass M$ for Halo for PS2 cos they didnt like the XBox hardware.
Either you buy the Hardware you dont want & play the Game you  do want or you Buy the hardware yo do want & go with out the Game you want.
This sort of thing happends alot.

You rarely get your cake & eat it.

But i see cos Amiga.inc/Hyperion are seen as small players so you think it gives you the right to harass & demand everything that you want from them like a bunch of bullies.

You made your choice so now live with it.

[ple3003]

Where did you get that information about the Barbie? I never saw any mention of it using an Articia.

articiaS... burrrp...
 :pint:

[Kronos]

@Alkemyst

Sure, but there that was not the way it went for me
(and I don't think I'm alone on this).

When AInc/Hyperion decided that they wouldn't support the Pegasos
(which they did with introducing the licence) they also made the descision
that I will never buy OS4 in any form.

Before April2002 Pegasos+OS4 was what I wanted, but when I had only the
choice between A1+OS4 and Pegasos+MOS it was with no doubt the 2nd
option that was my choice.

One sold copy of OS4 less.

Now alot has happened eversince, and i wouldn't touch OS4 with a stick
even if it would be released "shrink-wrapped" for my board, but that again
is something thta happened due to actions of AInc/Hyperion.

[Alkemyst]

@Kronos that your fault for rushing out  on what you bought so early on.
And now that we know that you wont touch Aos4/Aone, there is no need for you to worry about it anymore.

[Kronos]

"rushing out" ??

I can assure you that I haven't rushed anything, I just made a descision
based on what is really there, and what might appear sometimes.

Sofar I haved missed nothing on OS4, and I don't think I will in the
forseeable future.

I also don't worry bout anything, I just can't stand it when people try to
blame Genesi for something decided by AInc/Hyperion.

But the point stands: Hyperion is loosing potential buyers for their OS
every day Genesi sells one board, and they will loose alot more before
they even have somthing to sell.

Where did you get that information about the Barbie? I never saw any mention of it using an Articia.

a picture speaks a thousand words.

http://penguinppc.org/dev/pop/DSCF0052.JPG

heres the URL where I got this picture.

http://penguinppc.org/dev/pop/


that Rogue is the mia articiaS chipset on that board...
and from what I've read they wont be getting an AOS4 license either...

again I ask my question (wich you answered with another question wich of course is semantics)...... Had management wanted to sell AOS4 retail would it have been hard to bring it to Pegasos/Barbie ?...

[Alkemyst]

@Kronos still you made your choice now live with it.

I also don't worry bout anything, I just can't stand it when people try to
blame Genesi for something decided by AInc/Hyperion.

It takes 2 to tango.

Its Genesi's fault for deciding not to apply for a license.

But the point stands: Hyperion is loosing potential buyers for their OS
every day Genesi sells one board, and they will loose alot more before
they even have somthing to sell.

Dont worry your self about it OK .
You & others have gotten what you payed for so be happy & stop worrying about Aos4 & the Aone.