Mozilla on Amiga

[hnl_dk]

Don't forget X11R6.3@GeekGadgets!

ftp://ftp.geekgadgets.org/pub/geekgadgets/amiga/m68k/alpha/X11/

Great that GeekGadgets is up running again :-D

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frankb wrote:

From what I have can tell, the way they were able to port it was with the help of X11 for MacOS X, which is fully integrated into Aqua, and uses Quartz for rendering, so any X11 app can now use the Aqua interface.

X11 is not built into Aqua, it is a sepeate download (Apple are beta testing thier own version now)  Safari does not require X11 (I'm running it now - not bad).

I've heard that kHTML would make a good port, but no-one has ever tried to port it, unlike Mozzilla or OOO which are quite clearly bad ideas that have had sevral aborted attempts.

[frankb]

Holger Kruse's X11 port, called AmiWin, is _available_. You can use it ... you just can't register it because Holger has been unresponsive to the Amiga community since he went to work at REBOL. I don't know what limitations it has without registration, but it seems to work perfectly fine for me when connecting to UNIX servers at work from my home.

I know its available from his website, but the registered version is not available, which is supposed to have extended funtionality. Plus, it does need updating.

As far as Mozilla being available _right now_ for Amiga, that user on IRC was pulling your chain.

Well, your _right now_ statement make me think that you know something the rest of us don't :-). Do you know of anyone actively porting Mozilla to AmigaOS?

[frankb]

X11 is not built into Aqua, it is a sepeate download (Apple are beta testing thier own version now) Safari does not require X11 (I'm running it now - not bad).

This is true. It was just announced and released at MWSF. I thought they used it to port Konquerer. Are you sure a verison isn't included with Safari?

[chris]

frankb wrote:

Do you know of anyone actively porting Mozilla to AmigaOS?

All I know of is this:
Interesting mailing list message
Don't know whether that is still ongoing (it being a year and a half old an' all that), just noticed he works for IBM (or has an IBM email address at any rate)

Chris

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frankb wrote:

This is true. It was just announced and released at MWSF. I thought they used it to port Konquerer. Are you sure a verison isn't included with Safari?

Safari is only a 2.5MB download, and also doesn't act like an X11 program (X11 runs with the task on the dock and has control over the menu, while the applictions own menus are in the windows themselves, like XWindows and Windows programs)  See the screenshot on the X11beta downloadpage on apple.com to see what I mean.

I'm actually quite impressed with it, it works quite nicely and is very fast and compact (and has a pop-up killer).  The only thing I don't like is that it is styled like an "iApp" with the brushed metal and ugly buttons.

[Mitrado]

I've only used Mozilla once and I found it very heavy!

What I would like to see is a port of Opera for Amiga!

I use Opera on Winsux and it's real fast!
It takes about 2 seconds to load the program while Mozilla takes ages to start!

see ya! whats so good about mozilla afterall ?

It seems netscape to me!

[mikeymike]

The Amiga Mozilla port:

http://mozamiga.mozdev.org/

But, if you look at the mailing list archives, I think there's one developer in total, who's waiting for more volunteers.

[mikeymike]

I've been using Mozilla (the current incarnation) for a few years now on win32 (I'm currently using 1.2.1, it's been a long time since I used IE for anything other than Windows Update).  It does use quite a bit of memory when it's running, and CPU can jump a bit with certain operations, but I now use it for mail as well, instead of Eudora 5.1.

If anyone's interested, I've written two pages on my site in (the 'mikes' section) about my opinion on Mozilla.  But I'd recommend trying 1.2.1 if you're running Windows, and a spec PC that isn't severely (eg. Pentium 1) ancient :-)

I wouldn't download Netscape 6/7, even though they are based on Mozilla, they have these stupid add-ons by AOL which are just nasty.  I like Mozilla though.

[Tomas]

Yes mozilla is a little heavier than opera... But it start up quite fast if you put it in memory"a sec or 2", thats also only reason why IE starts up fast btw... Cause its allready lying in memory.

Though its a little bit slow to start up, its damn fast.... And yeah its open source.............. You cannot port opera, since its closed :\ And not very likely Opera themself will do an Amiga version...

[JamesR]

I was the one who started the mozamiga.mozdev.org thingy - I mistakenly thought that I could rally some Amiga coders to get together and bang out a DE port. At the time, Amiga OS 4 really wasn't even heard of. Now, I'd recommend an OS 4 native port of Chimera, because Amiga Inc. has changed their tune. I suppose I could update mozdev to this effect, but it just seems that no Amiga coders give enough of a rat's ass to actually spend some time on this project.

If anyone wants to take over the mozdev thing, let me know. I'm not a coder, and it would probably help if the project owner was an active coder.

[MarkTime]

JamesR wrote:
 I'm not a coder, and it would probably help if the project owner was an active coder.

ummm you think?

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JamesR wrote:
I was the one who started the mozamiga.mozdev.org thingy - I mistakenly thought that I could rally some Amiga coders to get together and bang out a DE port. At the time, Amiga OS 4 really wasn't even heard of. Now, I'd recommend an OS 4 native port of Chimera, because Amiga Inc. has changed their tune. I suppose I could update mozdev to this effect, but it just seems that no Amiga coders give enough of a rat's ass to actually spend some time on this project.

If anyone wants to take over the mozdev thing, let me know. I'm not a coder, and it would probably help if the project owner was an active coder.

There is currently a big discussion about porting Mozilla over on the Amiga-C list on yahoogroups
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/amiga-c If you want I can post on there about this (your site has been reffered too already)

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Tomas wrote:
Yes mozilla is a little heavier than opera... But it start up quite fast if you put it in memory"a sec or 2", thats also only reason why IE starts up fast btw... Cause its allready lying in memory.

IE starts quicker than Mozilla on the Mac so it isn't just the "built into the OS" advantage.  It's probably more due to all the (unecessary) stuff built into it. I haven't tried the browser-only version yet but I imagine that would be a fair bit quicker.

[JamesR]

Please keep your sarcastic comments to yourself. Project managers don't necessarily need to be coders, and I was just trying to A) rally Amiga and Mozilla fans to the cause and B) create a center for the project.

[JamesR]

Please do. I just want to see the project take off, that's all. That was my original intent, and it's still what I want. Mozdev offers CVS and a mailing list, not to mention a bug system, and I think it would be the perfect place for the project.