CS060MK2 SCSI kit does not seem to work. Help, pleaze!

[ksk]

Hopefully someone can help me with my CS060MK2 & SCSI kit problem.

I've got a SCSI kit to test & buy.

And I'm having difficulties of getting it to work.

(I've made sure that it is the right model meant for my MK2)


My HW: A4000 & CS060@50Mhz, 128M RAM
(& Buddha IDE, Multifacecard3, Ariadne ethernet, CV64-3D, Scandoubler)

When I install the SCSI kit and power the computer on, CS BIOS starts, flashes colors and HDD lights flash once. Then nothing.
Screen stays blank (black), and there is no HDD activity.
I've waited 15 minutes and there's no change.
Ctrl+Amiga+Amiga resets wont help.
Holding mousebuttons down does not bring the boot selection screen.

Same thing with or without internal/external SCSI cables attached to the SCSI kit.
Tried with different jumper settings (slow mode etc.).

I updated the flash of the CS.

Check EA000 - Failed
Flash EA000 - ++E - Empty
Prog EA000 - OK
Check EA000 - Ok

Check EA4000 - Failed
Flash EA4000 - E -Empty
Prog EA4000 - OK
Check EA4000 - OK

Check 8000 - OK
Check C000 - OK

So it went ok (?).


I tried again. The system worked 100% without the kit.
With the kit installed the same happened as before.


Does anyone know if there is a known conflight that affects this situation?

Does anyone know what might be broken on the SCSI kit & how to fix it?


Thanks.

[Noster]

Hi,

Have you connected any drives to the SCSI-kit ?
Is the SCSI-bus correct terminated ? (I've heard somewhere that the CS-SCSI isn't terminated at all, so the internal and external connections need to be terminated ?)

Noster

[ksk]

@Noster

I tried with and without SCSI cables & disks.
Not absolutely sure about the termination. I read that there is some automatic termination for external drives/bus, there was no HDD on the external connector but the termination "power jumper" (or whatever) was on for the external bus.
The internal drive that was connected was very old Fujitsu ... I need to search for data/manual sheets for that. The termination in that drive was not clear... The drive just worked at the end of SCSI cable at my friends place.

But I think the kit does not function far enought to seek for HDDs...

[QuikSanz]

Hi KSK,

Does the drive show up in HDToolbox? Maybe you don't have SCSI.Device set properly.

Chris

[ksk]

@QuikSanz

As I originally wrote, A4000 does not boot at all when the SCSI kit is in place.

When I install the SCSI kit and power the computer on, CS BIOS starts, flashes colors and HDD lights flash once. Then nothing.
Screen stays blank (black), and there is no HDD activity.
I've waited 15 minutes and there's no change.
Ctrl+Amiga+Amiga resets wont help. (same sceanario as with cold start)
Holding mousebuttons down does not bring the boot selection screen.

[Crumb]

reflash your mk2 with the floppy disk bundled with the scsi kit

[ksk]

@Crumb

The floppy disk is not available.
I got the .lha from web.

What might be the latest firmware for the CSMK2?


(not too encouraging when not even Garda knows anything about CSMK2. I wonder then, who designed the card & kit in the first place ...)  :-(

[Crumb]

If someone has the floppy disk of the Cyberstorm MK2 scsi kit and he has his equipment working he would be very kind to upload it to the phase5 directory of aminet.

@Kimok:

Your card was originally a 060/50 or a 040/40? I've read that you have to flash the card with the original frequency, if you use an overclocked board (or a board which had a 040/40 previously) you may find problems.

If I remember correctly the card was designed by Carda and someone else. Their names are in the board

[volmer]

I have a CSMKII/060 + SCSI kit.

I remember once clocking the 060 to 66MHz: After this the SCSI controller went nuts (checksum errors, or something), and wouldn't operate correctly until we put the 060 back at 50MHz.

I'm guessing the SCSI controller operates at a specific frequency which must match the processor speed in a way. Chances are that it will work after reflashing for correct frequency.

I don't know where my floppy for it is, but I think I have a phase5 drivers dir on one of my homebrew CD's from that time.

I'll check back after getting off work...

[Framiga]

@  ksk

have you downloaded SCSI_TOOLS_V2.2 from

ftp://ftp.meanmachine.ch/pub/phase5/scsi/ROMS_8.2/SCSI_TOOLS_V2.2.lha

Download it with voyager.

Ciao


PS- READ CAREFULLY the docs :-) (MK2Update.doc)

[ksk]

@everybody & soul

Thanks so far.

The card was and still is 060 running at 50Mhz.

I know the overclocking problematic from the previous SCSI kit owner (current owner untill I deside to buy it, if I get it working), who had tried to flash the CSMK2 @ ~64Mhz. Flash burning failed and I think his firmware broke so that re-burning is not possible any more.


@Framiga

I'll definitely check that out, thanks.

[AmiJIm]

hi there,
i have the very same problem ...
with oute the scsi ,the amiga boots OK,
with the scsi on board,i get the rainbow and then black screen ,
and then it will reboot,again rainbow and again and again.
note that the rom updates successfully.
should i try updating from floppy,because i programmed from ide hard disk.

[da9000]

ksk wrote:
the termination "power jumper" (or whatever) was on for the external bus.

The above is an indication that there is no termination, or termination is wrong. The "termination power" jumper, just tells a board from where it will get juice (current, electricity) to apply to the terminators.

"Terminators are powered from the "term power" line on the SCSI bus. Term power can come from any device on the bus, and is provided by either the host, a drive on the bus, the backplane, or any combination thereof."

The excerpt is from:
http://www.scsita.org/aboutscsi/SCSI_Termination_Tutorial.html

ksk wrote:
The internal drive that was connected was very old Fujitsu ... I need to search for data/manual sheets for that. The termination in that drive was not clear... The drive just worked at the end of SCSI cable at my friends place.

Improperly terminated devices WILL STILL WORK in certain buses/controllers/setups, but not for long. They will cause corruption and other problems. So the fact that it worked at some other place means nothing, UNLESS it worked on the CSMK2 SCSI module at the other place.

Search on google, you'll find even old drive specs. If you have problems, still, post the model# and someone here can probably help.



Now, having said all of the above, it does not mean that improper termination would cause the black screen. But as I've never had a CS card, I can't say from experience. Your mileage may vary. The best thing to do is make sure termination is correct, then you narrow down your problem space.

Good luck!


EDIT:
I recommend you use terminating power from drive, not bus/host adapter, and the reason is that the last choice will only place more current demand on the adapter card, while the drive has a direct power line to the PSU.