Thinking to change to the dark side (blue)

[Jose]

@Cymric
I partially disagree and partially agree...
I partially disagree because I don't think there is anything wrong in giving some weight to the "camps". Camps might not be the users but the companies involved, and you do only good if you also consider each companies actions in your choice. Not saying anyone is better or worse though, I think BOTH have their things... One thing to consider is that AInc. is not related to the OS anymore though, so the companies to consider would be Genesi on the blue side and Hyperion, Eyetech, Mai and KMOS (also maybe Elbox too...) on the red camp.


 "I didnt want to get a computer thats as old as the A1 is now"


@Acill
 "...I didnt want to get a computer thats as old as the A1 is now..."
Oh yeah, the specs of the A1 are so much worse :lol:
The A1 has USB1.1 and doesn't have firewire, Pegasus has USB2.0 and Firewire onboard. On the plus side the A1 has more PCI slots and a 2x AGP slot not 1x (if you want to play demanding games, if they ever exist in the future).


@pablotinch
I'd say, hang on a bit more.. It's not like waiting in the darkness anymore because the AOS4 demos are improving show to show and the last ones are, from what has been reviewed, good.
You'll then be able to compare both products too, wich is also a factor to consider.

[EDIT]
Well, if you're a rich guy, you could get both :-D

[Warface]

MOS1.x runs on 1 platform since y2002. No change after release.

MorphOS do run on CyberstormPPC and BlizzardPPC. With your reasoning:

AOS4 runs on 0 platform since y2001.  Not even available for purchasers of the AmigaONE boards, no change even after years. Not even in a public Beta form. There is currently no way to purchase AmigaOS4.

[redrumloa]

Oh wow where to start.

The official strategy is to run AOS on multiple third party HW platforms. (a1 is the first one, then BPPC&CSPPC, Elbox and even Matay (and some even more minor candidate) seem to be waiting for the OS release as well as the KMOS financier)

Only A1 and classic-PPC systems are under development. Elbox doesn't have any capable hardware and even if they did Hyperion has confirmed nothing is under development. Matay is no longer in the picture. Also you seem to have missed how many legitimate dealers who approached Amiga Inc about licensing and were either turned down or were never responded to. Hell I would probably license OS4 for Pegasos if I didn't already know i was wasting my time. Maybe KMOS will show a different face than Amiga Inc, we'll see. That whole deal is just so bizzare I have to see how it plays out.

So basically NO, cutting out Amiga Inc's fluff talk AOS is targetted at 2 platforms only. A1 & classic PPC. Same as MOS, though it is speculative for sure whether MOS will ever be released for the classic.

MOS is developed by bplan.

No it's not, it's developed by MorphOS.

As far as I see. It's not the same thing.

IMHO it is. Until, either of them breaks out and supports a 3rd platform anything else said on either side is fluff. That includes Buck saying he wants MOS running on Mac, just fluff.

Oh and the only pills I take are multi-vitamins:-D

[ksk]

@KennyR

>No, I think being able to run OS3.x emulated on a PC for a fraction of the price with 99.9% compatibility with Amiga software (far more than MOS or OS4 manages) is the biggest threat to any business venture with the name AmigaOS, ...

For those people who only need AOS3.x level of functionality & apps, that's true. (even though legally obtained AOS3.x PC bring revenue towards AOS) More so when AOS4 parts get into AmigaForever (too bad that berniethlon with AOS4 stuff hit the brick wall).

Surely you do not see MOS in any better situation as AmigaOS clone in this matter ... ;-)

>not Bill Buck.

I think Buck clearly described how he is searching for the control of AOS development with the court case.

Helping him would not be sensible thing to do. There is no way it would be a good thing. Not to a AOS fan at least.

It would be like McEwen in control again, except worse. ;-)

> I think you've totally blown up this guy's significance, and indeed AInc's significance, and the bickering and legal spats between the two of them.

So Buck is not interested in controlling AOS?
Perhaps you have not paid attention in what he is posting in forums.

[ksk]

@Warface

>>MOS1.x runs on 1 platform since y2002. No change after release.
>MorphOS do run on CyberstormPPC and BlizzardPPC.

Where can one download the release?

I did not know it was publicly available.

>With your reasoning: AOS4 runs on 0 platform since y2001. Not even available for purchasers of the AmigaONE boards, no change even after years. Not even in a public Beta form.

Well, you did not get it.
As I said AOS4 is not released yet.
I thought MOS1.x neither is released for classics.

>There is currently no way to purchase AmigaOS4.

Right, it came "virtually" with the earlybird board. :-D  :-D

I have it too. (disquised in PartyPack) :-D

btw. there is currently no way to purchase "MOS". ;-)

[Lando]

All that matters to me is the fact that my Pegasos runs more programs, many times faster, and with much less hardware / software hassles, and at a quarter of the cost, as my old Amiga 4000/CSPPC/Mediator system.  

If you want a modern, good-looking, fast, Amiga-compatible OS, then get a Pegasos with MorphOS.  This is my advice.  Put it this way, I haven't yet spoken to anyone who bought a Pegasos and wasn't pleased with it.  There's nothing stopping you from having both a Peg and your A1.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ pablotinch

If you got the money and wants some fun, then why not? IMHO, you will hardly regret it! :-)

[takemehomegrandma]

redrumloa wrote:

Let me just make one suggestion though. [color=CC0000]DON'T PREORDER[/color] a Pegasos. If you can find a dealer with one in stock, then that's a green light go ahead. But from my own comfort level I wouldn't recomend paying up front right now if they are not in stock.

BTW, yet another production run was finalized this week!  :-)

[ksk]

@redrumloa

>Also you seem to have missed how many legitimate dealers who approached Amiga Inc about licensing and were either turned down or were never responded to.

??

I thought only Buck was "turned down" by Fleecy.

Who else were turned down?

( IIRC,  they accepted Merlancia even )

>Maybe KMOS will show a different face than Amiga Inc, we'll see.

Right. But I would not be too surpriced if Buck and Garry are not the best of friends any more...

Garry's words:
"There are some deals you simply can't do. There are, of course, limits to this. Let's say for example Intel (no, we don't have a deal with Intel) wants to buy 10 million units of something that competes with a current partner selling 10,000 units. Generally something can be worked out. Finally, is there a business history with a potential partner? What is their reputation in the market? Are they managed by people that you would like doing business with? Given just this criteria, I can't envision anything that Genesi and KMOS have to talk about. Sometimes life is just too short."

>So basically NO, cutting out Amiga Inc's fluff talk AOS is targetted at 2 platforms only

Same for the MOS, but that is even proven by the history. (IMHO)

>>MOS is developed by bplan.
>No it's not, it's developed by MorphOS.

;-)  MOS = SchmidtOS
Ralph was/is part of bplan.
Now they all are part of Genesi.

>Oh and the only pills I take are multi-vitamins

I thought that about myself. Then I did a reality check. :-D


IMO: AOS4 seems more independant from any HW platform than MOS.

Let's see what happens.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Warface

MorphOS started with a huge emotional handicap, most of the community hated it. (and some still hate it today) AmigaONE sales are generated by the Amiga name. Pegasos sales are generated by either ppl being fed up with the other alternative, or (magic!) they try MorphOS out and fall in love.

I agree. IMHO, the A1 is sold because of "the name" and dreams/fantasies. The Pegasos is sold on its tangible merits (and dreams/fantasies ;-)).

[ksk]

People have different reasons for their decisions.

To me:
MOS0.4 looked interesting.
When intent AOS seemmed the only thing coming from AInc, MOS looked even better.
After AOS development was restarted (announced), I wanted to see the success of the old ass kicking AOS.
I saw the disadvantages of MOS strategy.
After it became obvious that AInc was getting nowhere and AOS4 development by Hyperion missed it's release dates, MOS again seemed like the only hope.
Genesi looked better than AInc. Genesi MOS seemed equall option with Hyperion AOS.
Pegasos looked better than A1.
Buck happened & proved a lot of my worst expectations.
I know MOS kicks *ss but it's not enough...
AOS is now my main hope for the continuation of FUN, then aros.


I should preach that AOS is the only right option... But I really can not.

Make up your own minds. Try to see the whole picture etc.


Arguing can be fun, but ... we might look a bit retarted. ;-)

[Warface]

ksk wrote:

Right, it came "virtually" with the earlybird board. :-D  :-D

I have it too. (disquised in PartyPack) :-D

Exactly that's the state what the original poster is fed up with. Add to that, OS4 won't be better than MorphOS by default.  MorphOS has proven it's abilities, which task is still ahead of OS4, and IMHO currently no one can safely claim that it will perform an inch better than MorphOS. On the contrary, it seems from the rate of development it will be quite some time before OS4 can catch up - and MorphOS developers ain't fiddling their fingers neither.

[jd997uk]

Who do I have to kill to get my hands on that???

I have to say that IFX looks great on OS4. What we need is a campaign to get Nova to do a tiny update so that all of their bespoke gadgets use the new system (you'll see the Pallette window looks kinda odd).

Fingers crossed there will be some positive OS4 news from Gothenburg tomorrow
 :-D

-john

[Warface]

ksk wrote:

I saw the disadvantages of MOS strategy.

Care to tell us what were the disadvantages of the MOS strategy compared to the AOS4 strategy?

[Kronos]

@Jose

No, the Peg does have no USB2 onboard, only 1.1.

But it has FW, a actually working onboard-audio, and in the case of the
Peg2 it also has DDR-RAM (yes that makes a difference in real life)
and a 1GBit-ethernet.

Both A1 and Peg have AGP-slots hacked out of somesort of PCI-bus
(PCI-66,PCI-X, or whatever, I have lost count  :-o ). The only difference
is that the A1/Peg1 has this hack intregrated into the NB while the Peg2
uses some extra circuits for it.

Sure it may be AGPx1 vs. x2 on spec, but the Articia just isn't capable
of substaining a bandwidth high enough to even reach x1 over a longer
perios, negating all added performace it might get from x2. And even
most of todays PC-games won't run noticeably slower when you just reduce the AGP-factor. When do you expect to see such games in
Amiga-land ? 2010, sounds realistic ..... :-(  :-D  :-P

[Van_M]

Well I have a strange feeling that if AOS4 doesn't get released for Pegasos 1-2 then MorphOS will be equiped with a transparent compatibility layer that will enable API-friendly AOS4 apps to run. Something in the sense of WINE for Linux... API copyrighting isn't possible, right?


--EDIT-- More like the current A/Box will be expanded so it will be able to run AOS4/PPC compiled programs apart from AOS3.9/68K ones.