Anyone using Asm-One?

[Jose]

Hey 8-) I'm starting what I should've started at the same time I started reading some stuff about amiga asm programming, fiddling with some programs!
I found Asm-One a very cool assembler but there seem to be some bugs in it.
For example the Jmp address funtion on the monitor doesn't seem to jump to anywhere, unless I use a very small address. The Quick jump (what's the difference?) does work though...
Do you also get that problem?

The manual is also not complete wich is a very big drawback for me...

So generally, what is your opinon on this assembler, should I go with it?
It even has PPC support with Altivec support!!

[PiR]

Hi

I see nobody answered this till now.
I really like Asm-ONE.
I use it every time I want to check something, the OS behaviour, the idea of asm-procedure, sometimes algorithmic ideas if they are not so difficult to implement in asm. I also wrote some usefull stupid things simple enough that looking for them in the internet were more difficult and less fun then writing them. But I didn't use the monitor module much, so I cannot help ATM.
Thinking of optimizations in asm gives me clues in thinking of optimisations in higher languages. Although that can be tricky, as the compiler may use some other way of optimisations that programmer can break by doing manual modifications...
For example in the opposite direction I've learned the mechanism of jumptables by analysing complied to asm-source C 'switch-case' statement.
The best thing is to check the results. :-)

Returning to topic:
I really like Asm-ONE for it all-in-one philosophy and for not writing everything directly to the disk (I mean source to obj, obj to exe, then debugger... yuck). But this can be deadly on system hang-ups. ;-) ALWAYS REMEMBER TO SAVE THE CHANGES BEFORE TESTING. :-D

I've seen that info about PowerPC and Altivec, but I haven't tried it. Besides there is no PowerPC debugger for it, the author doesn't have PowerPC and had also no opportunity to really check this option, and the last thing is that AltiVec was developed later, and is not implemented in 603e/604 processors.

The latest version supports RTG and works with that.
It is rather stable, but I had some mysterious crashes.
It is not changed for some time, as the author is redesigning the sourcecode to remove some bugs.

Recently I discovered also AsmPRO that was developed by someone who really liked Asm-ONE. It went opensource so everyone is invited to improve it.
Here is the link if you're interested

Cheers

[Jose]

@PiR
Yes! Cool to know. It's allway encouraging to know other's good experiences with a prog. I've tried AsmPRO before but somehow I just prefer Asm-ONE. Also, If I'm not mistaken AsmPRO also hasn't been updated in a while, and since the Asm-ONE author is still working on it and correcting bugs I choose that...
I think I got at least one good idea for a few very usefull apps in the everydaylife of many people, that still haven't been explored much, even on the PC. No I'm serious;) I hope I'll have the time and patience to code them. But I'm going with this for fun only. Hope it won't take long...

Cheers

[PiR]

Hi again

The thing that will surprize eveybody is that here in Poland one pretty day one guy decided to publish the book describing only to the Asm-ONE (by real commercial publisher). It was available in computer bookstores few years ago. I've bought it. :-D
Unluckilly for all of you this is in Polish only. ;-)

The more strange thing is that the author didn't contact TFA while writing it. Actually it was me who informed them about such book in Poland.

However I've dug out the description of QuickJump in Monitor:

According to the book (I didn't verify it myself yet) it behaves diffenetly in data mode and dissassembly mode:

data mode:
the nearest long word at the current position is read and interpreted as pointer. Monitor then sets current address for this pointer.

dissassembly mode:
the nearest address is considered to be a command. That command had to have a value in it. That value is read and used as current address
example:
lea $12345678,a0
The address is read as $12345678, although the current address is set for 'lea', so if interpreted as in data mode it would read the 'lea' opcode (2 bytes) and fill to the longword with what is next, resulting in reading the first 2 bytes from that absolute value as the last 2 bytes of the pointer.

I hope I described it clearly.
I hope it works as it was described in the book.

Cheers

[GreatLor]

Hey  I'm starting what I should've started at the same time I started reading some stuff about amiga asm programming, fiddling with some programs!
I found Asm-One a very cool assembler but there seem to be some bugs in it.
For example the Jmp address funtion on the monitor doesn't seem to jump to anywhere, unless I use a very small address. The Quick jump (what's the difference?) does work though...
Do you also get that problem?

The manual is also not complete wich is a very big drawback for me...

So generally, what is your opinon on this assembler, should I go with it?
It even has PPC support with Altivec support!!

Lets see ... the debugging is NOT working for me (it just types the very first instruction followed below by all the cpu registers and last the usual prompt, as a result I CANNOT use the down-cursor-key to step through the code one instruction at a time. (maybe I'm doing something wrong ?)
Also, when I start asmOne it requests for the "SOURCES" disk, I did not obtain such a thing (files) when I downloaded the asmOne.

[Jose]

@GreatLor

I can't get the Debugging to work that way either.

The sources disk it asks has something to do with the preferences setting I think. You can define a disk/drawer for that I think.

The problem is that since some parts are undocumented it gets difficult to figure it out, and what doesn't seem to work might just be one not knowing how to use it.
The author refers some nasty bugs that still need correction thought...

[xeron]

I prefer Asm-Pro myself. I think Asm-Pro's debugger works slightly better, but both Asm-Pro and Asm-One have... interesting... quirks and bugs that you learn to live with.

Like Protracker, you actually become used to and maybe even a little fond of its quirkiness ;-)

[Coder]

Talking about The Flame Arrows (TFA), anyone knows what they are up to these days?

Coder

[odin]

ASM-One V1.49, Release Candidate 1 (released 17-02-2004)

Improving ASM One it seems? ;-)


Clickety-click for TFA homepage.

[Coder]

@odin

ASM-One V1.49, Release Candidate 1 (released 17-02-2004)

No idea they were still active on the Amiga. I remember them from their trip with Team Hoi to an Amiga party. I remember they had the demo (Hoi's AGA III) planned for that party but even though they coded like hell it did not get finished in time for the deadline. I think they also had someone as a guestprogrammer along called Rutger or Sander. I might check that out later on if I can find it back.

They got a link on the page to Amiga.org so I wonder if they hang out here. Would be cool. Having some real Dutch heroes amongst us. :-)

Coder

[odin]

Who were the guys behind Euphoria (Disposable Heroes) anyway. Wasn't Coala a Dutch development too?

Hmm....I saw Metin Seven's name somewhere recently. Dammit....now where was that.

[GreatLor]

@Jose, hey hows it going ? ok, I know now how to use the debugger, usage: "k [ea/label]" after assembling, but you probably knew that !

Hey Jose (and anyone else), you done any cool stuff (intro-/demo-like) ?

[Coder]

@odin

Who were the guys behind Euphoria (Disposable Heroes) anyway.

There was a big article about them in the Amiga Magazine. I remember Reinier van Holt as being one of them. I will try to dig up some more on them.

Hmm....I saw Metin Seven's name somewhere recently. Dammit....now where was that.

Check out www.metinseven.com for his site and check out www.klaar.com for a new company from Reinier van Vliet.

Coder

[Jose]

@GreatLor

Not really. I read the Copper, Playfield, Hardware control, and just part of the Blitter and Sprite stuff on the hardware manual.
I'm now fiddling around with creating images and copper effects. It's really cool :-D The problem is that I don't have much time, and I'm not gonna spent little time left of the day in front of a computer... :-(

[GreatLor]

I see ...

As for me, I just want to do some stuff I never had time/energy to do when I was a teenager, like: vector-stuff on asm. (A couple of years ago finally I managed to do a vector-cube in Amos - no, NOT Amos-3D), I read in a tutorial about that linear algebra was the thing to go for as square-rooting is too slow, I must say I used sguare to pull of the rotation (linear algebra was never my stronger side), is square-rooting really TOO slow copmpared to linear-algebra ?, replies from anyone with experience of vector-coding will really be appreciated !  :-)