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Offline SkulleateRTopic starter

Ok, I used to use my A600GS a lot, often just for playing some A500/A1200 games from ADF (sometimes WHDLoad) but there are games that are not very demanding BUT will not run smooth on the A600GS and so I´ve put it away some time ago. But let me explain ...

Two examples :

The Lost Pixel : https://amiga-factory.itch.io/projectlp
Casltevania AGA : https://danteretrodev.itch.io/akumajou-dracula-aga

Both have slowdowns, The Lost Pixel got stuttering music (like hell) even in the menu and the game is unplayable slow ...

So I gave both games a try on my Pi400 with Amiberry 5.7.3 (that´s thee closest I get to the Version 5.7.5 on the A600GS) and hey, the same Slow Downs. So I got down the rabbit hole and downloaded older versions and with Amiberry 5.6.7 everything is running smooooooooth with a bog standard A1200 default config.

So there has to be something gone wrong after 5.6.7 that makes some games unplayable, maybe that´s something only midwan can fix or something can be done by AmigaKit, just wanted to point out and I really would love to get this fixed so I can use my A600GS more often ...
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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2025, 09:16:23 AM »
Midwan is going to look into it.
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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2025, 01:52:56 PM »
The latest version of Amiberry-Lite, which you should be using on an RPI4, is 5.8.6: https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amiberry-lite/releases/tag/v5.8.6

Testing with that version, on the latest RPI-OS and an RPI4 here, I cannot recreate any issue with the above titles. They both run full-speed.
 
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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2025, 02:03:49 PM »
The latest version of Amiberry-Lite, which you should be using on an RPI4, is 5.8.6: https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amiberry-lite/releases/tag/v5.8.6

Testing with that version, on the latest RPI-OS and an RPI4 here, I cannot recreate any issue with the above titles. They both run full-speed.

Yes, I can use higher versions on my Pi, that´s ok ... the point is I cannot myself update the version on my A600GS and there ARE slowdowns ;)
 

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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2025, 02:14:47 PM »
@SkulleateR

@broadblues is currently merging to the latest version- you should get an update soon.  Hopefully this will redress these issues.
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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2025, 02:19:23 PM »
@SkulleateR

@broadblues is currently merging to the latest version- you should get an update soon.  Hopefully this will redress these issues.

Looking forward to it, thanks for the info ...
 

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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2025, 02:01:09 PM »
Yes, I can use higher versions on my Pi, that´s ok ... the point is I cannot myself update the version on my A600GS and there ARE slowdowns ;)

Sure, I only mentioned that because you specifically referred to your PI400 test there, and that caught my attention.
If you test the latest version on your Pi400, does it work full speed?
 

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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2025, 06:06:18 PM »
Sure, I only mentioned that because you specifically referred to your PI400 test there, and that caught my attention.
If you test the latest version on your Pi400, does it work full speed?

Sorry for the late answer, yes it does run full speed :)
 

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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2025, 04:41:53 PM »
Latest Update on A600GS (Amiberry 5.8.7) shows the same issues as before, Sound distortion and slow gameplay compared to a real Amiga :(
 

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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2025, 06:45:30 PM »
Installed latest 46.1.1049 update and got some time to tinker around on my A600GS.

Same as SkulleateR I have to report that latest 5.8.7 Amiberry does not sort out the speed issues on the A600GS, e.g.

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Jim Power               ...  unbearably slow
ReshootR                ...  unbearably slow
XTReme Racing AGA v2.0  ...  unbearably slow
Reshoot Proxima 3       ...  1st level ok, slowdown in other levels but still playable

What has improved with 5.8.7 is stability. E.g. XTReme Racing AGA v2.0 crashed Amiberry 5.7.5 after a few minutes of play (at most). Now with 5.8.7 I was able to complete a full season without crashing. That is with JIT off, with JIT enabled it still crashes rather quickly.
 

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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2025, 06:24:53 PM »
Hi All,

I've recently picked up an A600GS this past weekend and one of the disappointing things was finding slowdowns in some of my WHD installed games that I've put on the Amibench installation. For example games like Bubble Bobble, Edd the Duck, its almost like there is a slowdown before it catches up, so similar to issue that others have reported. 

If its an issue with Amiberry I guess we have to wait until the next update.  :( For those who have noticed this issue, does this occur if you install a separate 3.1 installation.

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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2025, 06:27:50 PM »
Hello

If you install using WHDownload archives in the Games menu there should be no performance issues.  My colleague had these running on his system at the show. 

In the Edit menu there are options such as JIT and Faster chipset
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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2025, 11:55:32 PM »
In the Edit menu there are options such as JIT and Faster chipset

Not for WHDBoot, only ADF and ISO have those options. It would be great if we did.
 

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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2025, 09:23:44 PM »
Ok, so I had a good opportunity today to really play around with the machine A600GS.  I even managed to do a 3.9  set up thanks to iowtheme's useful video tutorials on Youtube on how to set up a workbench on a 1200NG.

I tested out a few games too both as ADF files and also as WHDload installs within 3.9 and I found the following games would stutter during gameplay:

Pang  (on Title screen and on interval screens)
R-Type 2  (runs at a really slow framerate  in general)
St Dragon  (starts ok but gets slow in places)
Chaos Engine (similar to Pang, slowdown in the music on title and character selection screen) but once in game you are fine.
Space Harrier was a little sluggish too.

The same thing happens on Amibench too despite putting these  in the programs folder as suggested.

The JIT emulation setting can either make the game better or worse depending on the game from the above tests.

It kind of reminded me of an issue I used to have when I owned a Sam 460, but luckily that version of E-UAE had a frameskip that you could then tailor to each game. 

I honestly think some form of frame skipping setting and greater customisation of the emulation package  within the menus would be welcome. I am saying this constructively because I actually think the A600GS is a good product and want it to succeed.

In general I was more impressed with my purchase after getting OS3.9 set up.  I have even ordered the latest OS 3.2 to set up when it arrives.



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Re: Stuttering / Slow Downs / Games that are not playable on A600GS
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2025, 08:33:54 AM »
Ok, so I had a good opportunity today to really play around with the machine A600GS.  I even managed to do a 3.9  set up thanks to iowtheme's useful video tutorials on Youtube on how to set up a workbench on a 1200NG.

I tested out a few games too both as ADF files and also as WHDload installs within 3.9 and I found the following games would stutter during gameplay:

Pang  (on Title screen and on interval screens)
R-Type 2  (runs at a really slow framerate  in general)
St Dragon  (starts ok but gets slow in places)
Chaos Engine (similar to Pang, slowdown in the music on title and character selection screen) but once in game you are fine.
Space Harrier was a little sluggish too.

The same thing happens on Amibench too despite putting these  in the programs folder as suggested.

The JIT emulation setting can either make the game better or worse depending on the game from the above tests.

It kind of reminded me of an issue I used to have when I owned a Sam 460, but luckily that version of E-UAE had a frameskip that you could then tailor to each game. 

I honestly think some form of frame skipping setting and greater customisation of the emulation package  within the menus would be welcome. I am saying this constructively because I actually think the A600GS is a good product and want it to succeed.

In general I was more impressed with my purchase after getting OS3.9 set up.  I have even ordered the latest OS 3.2 to set up when it arrives.

Hi outrun1978,

After reading your post, I thought I'd give some of those a try myself. I've started with Pang.

On a Custom Amiga 1200 setup with 2 MB of Chip and 8 MB of Fast, CPU 030 maximum speed, and JIT activated, Pang (WHD-Load) stutters on the titlescreen. However, when I turned off JIT on the same setup, the stutter disappeared. Please give that a try to see if it works on your setup. Would be interesting to know.

Running Pang as an ADF with an Amiga 500 setup 512 KB + 512 KB gives a smooth experience here. There is no JIT activated there either.

Also tried Chaos Engine with no JIT as WHD-Load with the same setup. No stutter here.

R-Type 2 works without slowdowns as well. Just tested.

From these tests, it looks like having JIT activated can slow down some games.

I tried degrading the system to Amiga 1200 / 020 / 2 MB Chip 8 MB Fast / 14 MHz - No JIT. Tried running Pang (WHD-Load) and it worked great.  :D

Now I changed the system to a 68040 / 2 MB Chip 8 MB Fast / Maximum speed with JIT, and the stutter re-appeared in Pang.

Running firmware 46.2.1098.

Update:

Activated JIT on 68030 setup, but sat max MHz to 25... stutter disappeared in Pang with JIT... Maybe this is the problem? Having CPU Speed set to maximum? Hope someone can give this a try too.
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