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Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

A1200 no display and not booting up
« on: February 07, 2025, 01:46:23 PM »
My Amiga A1200 is no longer able to display any picture on the screen from either the RGB or Composite ports, although my TV stopped saying “No Signal” and I tested it on 2 other TVs at a meeting. The Power light and Caps Lock light, as well as the light on a USB mouse with TruMouse adapter all come on, but it doesn’t boot up from CF cards or a Gotek drive. The Gotek LCD display lights up.

It was still working on January 29 or 30, but not on January 31. It was recapped and repaired after being rained on through a skylight, but the repairs took several months. The board was covered with gunk, corroded, ignoring internal and external floppy drives after the repairer broke a track, the IDE port has been repaired and the RGB port has been replaced. The Gotek drive is only about 6 months old, but the CF card cable is much older. After using it for about an hour following the repair, the whole screen turned blank and bright green, but I couldn’t get rid of it by turning it off, waiting and rebooting, so indicating a Chip RAM problem. I had to send it away for repair again under warranty.

The U16 RAM chip and one next to it had failed and the pins on the Kickstart ROMs had rusted, there was a problem with the display sync, and the 74HCT244 buffer chip was replaced with one from an A600. The repairer said “The reason the A1200 with your Alice chip was failing before was because the video buffer chip also buffers the CCK logic line from Alice. The CCK logic line is the main clock line from the Alice chip to all the other chips on the board. The faulty buffer chip was affecting this CCK line meaning all the Amiga's custom chips (which rely in all being exactly in sync) were all talking at different times, effectively. So by fixing the video sync line, it also fixed the CCK line, and made everything nice again”.

Since receiving it back 11 months ago, I’ve had some problems with my 8Mb RAM expansion just because I removed it to fit an FPU, then plugged it back in. I had to clean the expansion port contact pins and my Amiga wouldn’t boot up with the FPU in place until I jumpered it to off. My Early Startup screen started losing sync whenever I selected it, but stabilised when I pressed the space bar to select NTSC, then PAL. The numeric pad and one cursor key stopped working. I've tried removing my 8Mb RAM expansion card, but this makes no difference to my current problem.

I’m afraid my flat is suffering from damp and mould I now know is caused by leaky pipes in the walls. I’m moving out in the near future. The default level of damp is about 82%, so I think this is what has caused my latest Amiga problem.

How might I be able to fix this problem before sending it away to a repairer? I had a differerent repairer recommended to me earlier this week as being quick and reliable, but I can't be sure. I think my A1200 might just need a good clean and a simple repair which I might be able to learn how to do.


 




 
 

Offline Boing-ball

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2025, 04:22:17 PM »
Only way to know what the problems are is to open up the A1200 and inspect the mainboard for issues/problems. See if you can see of any issues such as rust etc..

Out of a matter of interest, who recapped and repaired this for you? Who has been recommended to you?

 

Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2025, 04:47:35 PM »
I can't see anything wrong with the board.

I don't want to say who recapped and repaired it for me, because I don't know if anyone else could have done a better job.

My recommendation was from a few users at a recent Amiga meeting. It's someone I'd never heard of before, but they said he was reliable and could get repairs done quickly. That sounds great to me!

Meanwhile, I've just bought a latest version Aminimiga USB stick for my A500 Mini with Internet connectivity and a Shared folder so I can do some more artwork and transfer the files off that system onto the Internet, as well to other devices.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2025, 04:50:26 PM by AmigaBruno »
 

Offline Boing-ball

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2025, 09:37:11 PM »
I can't see anything wrong with the board.

I don't want to say who recapped and repaired it for me, because I don't know if anyone else could have done a better job.

My recommendation was from a few users at a recent Amiga meeting. It's someone I'd never heard of before, but they said he was reliable and could get repairs done quickly. That sounds great to me!

There are quite a few really good repairers and recappers around.

For a start Ian@Mutantcatterpillar based at Anglesey in Wales if you want to stick to the U.K to Hese in Scandinavia.

Unfortunately there are some chancers who think they know what they are doing….. 🙄


 

Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2025, 09:38:51 AM »
Some important news is that I've just heard from a repairer who has recently been recommended to me as being very quick.

It now sounds like he may not be as quick as I've been told. I've sent him a reply to clarify my Amiga A1200's symptoms. These are no display, and only the power light, Caps Lock light, and USB mouse light come on.

Some possible faults he mentioned are the IDE to CF card cable and the Gotek drive cables have all broken at the same time (unlikely), or the CIA chip for the floppy drive has died. I could easily get a new IDE cable, but the Gotek drive is only about 6 months old and its display is lighting up.

I suppose there are two CIA chips, like in an A500. One is for the floppy drive. What is the other one for? How can I test them? How can I remove and replace them? Could both of them have died at the same time?

I've just read https://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=27953.0 which doesn't sound very good! The solution might be in a YouTube video, possibly on YouTube Germany, so I'll have a good look round.




 
 

Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2025, 11:00:33 AM »
I've just bought one CIA chip from eBay, but from what I can tell it's not a surface mount type CIA chip because it has pins pointing down, so I wonder if or how I can use it as a replacement. I can't upload a pic of it. It's marked 8520A-1 3490 24. Others similar to this are available now on eBay.

I've started watching some Amiga repair videos on eBay Germany in German, but there doesn't seem to be that many of them. The magazine Amiga Future has done some and individual users have done others. I've started watching this one https://youtu.be/HmhVORtW2-k?si=H3eXRbLBeyucsWkV






 

Offline Boing-ball

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2025, 12:43:17 PM »
I've just bought one CIA chip from eBay, but from what I can tell it's not a surface mount type CIA chip because it has pins pointing down, so I wonder if or how I can use it as a replacement. I can't upload a pic of it. It's marked 8520A-1 3490 24. Others similar to this are available now on eBay.

I've started watching some Amiga repair videos on eBay Germany in German, but there doesn't seem to be that many of them. The magazine Amiga Future has done some and individual users have done others. I've started watching this one https://youtu.be/HmhVORtW2-k?si=H3eXRbLBeyucsWkV

Okay. So first off, there are many Amiga Repair channels on YouTube:

For example:

Chris Edwards channel:

https://youtu.be/zzyrIA-x_pY?si=QReoEJfYaRik1pr0

Stu Huds Channel:

https://youtu.be/RFzAztJjoww?si=vRlM4orAJcMD9xy5

That one you linked up to appears to be stoned on drugs! 😳

To test Amigas, you can buy DiagROMs or download and use Amiga Test Kit (ATK).

ATK:

https://github.com/keirf/amiga-stuff/releases


 

Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2025, 02:20:52 PM »
OK, so I'll watch more of Chris Edwards' channel as well as Stu Huds' channel, as well as Ampow's channel and anything else I can find which looks useful. I may even find the answer in an amazing book published in German by Markt & Technik, but never translated into English.

I recently started using Amiga Test Kit, but I can't use it at the moment because I have no display output from my Amiga.

As for DiagROM, I've heard a lot about it, how do I use that? Doesn't it also require a display from the Amiga?

Also how could I fit a replacement CIA chip to my Amiga A1200 if all its pins are pointing down, not bent like with the SMT soldered chips on the A1200?
 

Offline Boing-ball

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2025, 05:50:39 PM »
With DiagROM you just need to get hold of the 2 x Chips and replace your KickStart ROM chips.
As for no display. Then you can use DiagROM via a Serial to USB cable to a PC and use something like PuTTY to output the DiagROM screen. Chris Edwards has these types of video when he repairs A3000 and A4000 Amigas.

As for the CIA chip removal. I would watch the videos on DiagROM first before spending needless monies on chips that you may not need to replace. DiagROM and ATK can test CIA chips.
 

Offline AmigaBrunoTopic starter

Re: A1200 no display and not booting up
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2025, 03:20:53 PM »
OK, but I'd still have to buy some DiagROM chips because I have no EPROM programmer and I've never actually programmed any EPROMs before. I've bought one CIA chip, but I now know after cleaning and looking closely that the CIA chips in an A1200 are square instead of the rectangular one I've bought, so I don't see how I could use this in my A1200.

The situation is no longer really urgent. This was my only Amiga, but I've just bought a replacement for my A1200. It's a modern recreation of an A1200, with a nice new looking case and keyboard and a MISTer type board inside. It runs a Hyperion version of AmigaOS. I'll be able to carry on doing my artwork, can even use RTG graphics modes, it has USB ports, can run at 50Mhz and I should also be able to get a graphics tablet that's compatible with it, but I'll have to check carefully which ones are compatible before buying.

I think I'll send my non working A1200 to a company for repair. Based on personal recommendations from three or four Amiga users recently, I think this will be Amiga Spirit. They said this company can do repairs very quickly, and I've never used them before so I they haven't left me without my Amiga A1200 for several months either.