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Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« on: March 24, 2004, 09:31:41 PM »
For stifling competition in the European software market, the EU Court in Brussels has today fined Microsoft a mind-boggling $613million! [EDIT: Some reports say £800Million..!!]

But of course, that's just a parking ticket for M$. Think what the Amiga could do with just one tenth of that. Hmm...

Just do a News Google on Microsoft. It's everywhere.

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2004, 10:11:03 PM »
I can see Bill now, sitting atop his massively summarised reports, the continual influx of data represented graphically on screens all around him.

During his coffee break:

Bill Gates "Hey Steve, is it me, or was there just a tiny inflexion in the incoming cash summary line?"

Steve Balmer "I dunno. Hard to say, could be an error placing the pixel. I'll talk to the developers developers developers developers about it..."

Bill "'K, Steve. You should get that stammer looked at too.."
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2004, 10:24:19 PM »
I personally hope they win the appeal. they are just a easy target to jealous companies who could only wish to make as much cash as m$ do.

As for RealNetworks Inc, i doubt any serious computer user would touch their glorified trojan "RealONE" with a bargepole - instead of those b1tches moaning about m$ maybe they would like to remove all that spying crap out of they massively bloated player. if you really need to watch a .rm .ram clip/audio download "Real Alternative".
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2004, 10:59:20 PM »
I think that's part of the issue on the M$ player. Why would Joe Public download anything, when Windows includes one free?

Brussels is annoyed 'cos M$ simply adds the latest musthave software into the OS rather than selling it on the open/competitive market. They and only they, can afford to do things like that.

The average pc user doesn't buy any alternative system if one's free with the kit. A bit like 'batteries included'.

I don't think they'll win this one.

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2004, 11:22:38 PM »
That's nice and all, but unless they impose a fine in the billions, I doubt this'll change M$'s behavior much.

And yes, people use Microsoft's garbage because it's bundled in. The vast majority of my peers in college use all default programs because they don't know about anything else.
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2004, 11:40:35 PM »
I see nothing wrong with giving the user a OS what comes with stuff they want as standard. every OS imo should contain a web browser, email client, media player etc. if these companies do not like it then tough. it is up to them to make a better product to catch the users eye instead of attacking a company out of pure jealousy and greed.

If the user has to mess around downloading software you would expect to come with the OS they are gonna be pissed off (i would be). a happy user is a paying user :-)
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2004, 11:47:05 PM »
Hum, the fine is about ONE percent of M$ reserves (53 billion dollars)...

But i agree that it is a good move, in principle...
Using the same idealism that america imposed on oil companies , general motors, BELL, and Germany after the war;  and imposing those monopoly rules back onto M$...

But i also suspect that it is really a defence from american `influences` on a fledgling European market.





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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2004, 12:54:27 AM »
 a OS what **comes with** stuff they want

some people may argue the definition of
**comes with**
against the definition of
**unnecessarily inextricably inexplicably intertwined within**
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2004, 12:57:34 AM »
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I see nothing wrong with giving the user a OS what comes with stuff they want as standard. every OS imo should contain a web browser, email client, media player etc. if these companies do not like it then tough. it is up to them to make a better product to catch the users eye instead of attacking a company out of pure jealousy and greed.

If the user has to mess around downloading software you would expect to come with the OS they are gonna be pissed off (i would be). a happy user is a paying user :-)


Dude.... you truly scare me...

I for one do *not* want  a system that comes blogged down with tons of crap I'd *never* use if it wasn't there in the first place.

It's like with supermarkets nowadays. You get tied up to a store bcos when you shop *(s)mart* you get points and rebates for this or that and end up paying for stuff you never wanted and blowing more cash than you would have done in that expensive local grossery store. That store that hardly has any customers left due to the superstores just outside town which means they can no longer support the local farmers and producers so they have to shut down and end up dieing poor and lonely with the local producers soon to follow.

"a happy user is a paying user"
I totally lack words... Or no, actually I don't. I think you've totally messed that one up.
Why is the user happy in the first place? Probably bcos he/she bought a piece of SW that luckily enough did what he/she wanted it to. Your view seems to be "Hey, I'm in a good mood today. I'm gonna buy some useless junk to celebrate that!" IMO your sentence should really say "a paying user deserves to be a happy user"
Now, in the windows situation it's not exactly like that.
Yes, you get some programs that does the basic stuff you might wanna do at the exact moment you boot up your 'puter. It's not exactly how you want it, but it's not bad enough for you to go and buy something else. And therein  lies the problem IMO. People, like in the supermarket scenario, end up using stuff they're not really happy with, but it seems much cheaper and more convenient so they'll never try anything else.
In fact, I think the situation we have is bloody lethal to society. What we have is a software based dictature and the world is more software each and every day.

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Note 2. The above of course only reflects my personal opinion. Some people treat their own opinion as fact and I just wanna spell it out that I'm not like that.
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2004, 01:04:04 AM »
Besides, isn't all this software that is integrated in Windows the reason the virus writeres and script kiddies can attack Windows so easily.  Outlook express and Internet Explorer are a good example of this.  Heck, even Direct X 9 is "updated to fix security problems with direct X."  Security problems in a game API?:-o

If I knew how to unistall Internet Explorer I would as I use Firefox anyway.

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2004, 01:19:15 AM »
I dont mind a company including things in the OS like a browser, mail client, etc... Its when Microsoft integrates it into the OS so you cant remove it. That staight up sucks!. I would unistall IE in a heartbeat if the option was there.

 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2004, 01:39:00 AM »
@spihunter
@ottomobiehl

Good points.


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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2004, 06:47:04 AM »
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I personally hope they win the appeal.

Me too.

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As for RealNetworks Inc, i doubt any serious computer user would touch their glorified trojan "RealONE" with a bargepole

It comes standard on many prebuilt systems, though.  You just can't escape it.

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Why would Joe Public download anything, when Windows includes one free?

Because Media Player is a piece of crap, and is missing millions of standard codecs?  But, Joe Public is too damn LAZY to download something else.

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They and only they, can afford to do things like that.

Windows costs a bundle, and MS spends billions each year on R&D, which is just cloned and copied by everyone else.  Just tell me Gnome and KDE aren't clones of Explorer... bugs and all.

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The vast majority of my peers in college use all default programs because they don't know about anything else.

And don't care to look for it.  The most they'll do is Google for something, only to find hundreds of links to the most popular software in the industry.  The rise of the Internet and online shopping means you have to practically spoon-feed alternative software to the public.  Banner ads, naturally.

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I see nothing wrong with giving the user a OS what comes with stuff they want as standard. every OS imo should contain a web browser, email client, media player etc. if these companies do not like it then tough. it is up to them to make a better product to catch the users eye instead of attacking a company out of pure jealousy and greed.

Windows, Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, and Media Player are all Microsoft products.  Who has the right to tell them they can't sell their own products as a package?  It should be noted that while it's not easy to remove these bundled products, it's very easy to disable and replace them.  I don't see what the fuss is about.  I'm more pissed by the fact the competition keeps failing miserably.  I've been working with Firefox for a few weeks, now, and as far as I'm concerned, it's flooded with bugs and has more CSS rendering problems than both IE and Opera combined.  I fail to see why all the tech mags rave about it, other than a natural tendency to support the underdog.

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But i agree that it is a good move, in principle...

Why don't they go after British Telecom, instead?  All my English buddies pay more for Dial-up than I pay for broadband.

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I for one do *not* want a system that comes blogged down with tons of crap I'd *never* use if it wasn't there in the first place.

Then demand a cheaper, stripped-down version of Windows.  So long as consumers keep quiet and keep paying, they get what they deserve.  Do you really think if IBM or Amiga was in charge, things would be different?  Had a look at Apple, lately?

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It's like with supermarkets nowadays. You get tied up to a store bcos when you shop *(s)mart* you get points and rebates for this or that and end up paying for stuff you never wanted and blowing more cash than you would have done in that expensive local grossery store. That store that hardly has any customers left due to the superstores just outside town which means they can no longer support the local farmers and producers so they have to shut down and end up dieing poor and lonely with the local producers soon to follow.

Then don't sign up for a rewards card.  Refuse to use the automatic checkout with the touchscreens.  Pay cash instead of credit so they can't track what you buy and give you coupons for crap.  DON'T buy the crap!  Don't buy gift certificates or prepaid credit cards... etc, etc...

People are just too damn lazy to boycott, and prefer safety to freedom.  No wonder American business is all going overseas, and Bush and his cronies are using terrorism as a tool to bleed the public dry.  People better shape up before the US turns into the next Rome.
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2004, 09:48:23 AM »
"Then demand a cheaper, stripped-down version of Windows."

If I wanted to use windows I would do something like that yes.

"So long as consumers keep quiet and keep paying, they get what they deserve."

I totally agree, it's just that *I* don't wanna have it that way but I can't escape it bcos majority has the upper hand.

"Do you really think if IBM or Amiga was in charge, things would be different?"

Yes I do. Are you saying all the presidents U.S.has had have been the same?

"Had a look at Apple, lately?"

Yes I have. I don't like it.

"Then don't sign up for a rewards card. Refuse to use the automatic checkout with the touchscreens. Pay cash instead of credit so they can't track what you buy and give you coupons for crap. DON'T buy the crap! Don't buy gift certificates or prepaid credit cards... etc, etc..."

You're describing my way of life pretty well here.

"People are just too damn lazy to boycott, and prefer safety to freedom."

Thanks for repeating what I said in slightly different words.

"No wonder American business is all going overseas, and Bush and his cronies are using terrorism as a tool to bleed the public dry. People better shape up before the US turns into the next Rome."

I wouldn't know anything business in the U.S., but get one thing straight: U.S. is hardly anywhere near the power of Rome.
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2004, 11:19:02 AM »
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"So long as consumers keep quiet and keep paying, they get what they deserve."


So you'd like to have to stand up for your rights as a customer every day of your life potentially, because companies do illegal (or should be illegal) things?