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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2004, 11:19:02 AM »
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"So long as consumers keep quiet and keep paying, they get what they deserve."


So you'd like to have to stand up for your rights as a customer every day of your life potentially, because companies do illegal (or should be illegal) things?
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2004, 11:43:56 AM »
What next then?

Car manufacturers not being allowed to include factory-fitted stereos because it stifles competition from other car stereo makers?

I don't see that it's any different.

People are being too quick to jump on the "It's Microsoft... let's get them!" bandwagon, without actually thinking about what is really going on.

I hope Microsoft win.
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2004, 12:15:16 PM »
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What next then?

Car manufacturers not being allowed to include factory-fitted stereos because it stifles competition from other car stereo makers?

I don't see that it's any different.



Oh, but there's a difference.  Next time you get behind the wheel of your VW, remember that Blaupunkt make the stereo as a supplier.  The seats in your Ford Focus are made by Johnson Controls and the fuel injection system is made by Bosch.  The bootlid, dashboard, electrics of my Alfa Romeo are all manufactured separately by third party suppliers and assembled in the end factory.  

All of the above are symbiotic relationships that benefit the car company, the supplier and the end consumer.  Plus if Alpine can market a better stereo than Blaupunkt, VW can fit that one as standard and so on.

Microsoft on the other hand do everything in house.  What they don't do, they buy into and eventually dissolve/assimilate.  They actively seek out competition with a view to stifling it before it can even get a foothold.  They have tight controls over licensing and can therefore charge what they like for the end product without having to worry about a rival's OS being better quality.

Joe Public will never change their purchasing habit because it's advantageous for us all to be using the same software.  It's nice to be able to email a word document, knowing the guy on the other side of the world can read it.  

The only way I can around this would be to force MS to use a standard format protocol for all documents/media etc which should be made open source.  However, that effectively rules out companies being innovative with new product formats etc....  


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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2004, 12:32:48 PM »
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Microsoft on the other hand do everything in house


The Windows XP disk defragmenter tool is made by Executive Software, and I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of other components that have been "bought in" and integrated with Windows, which the general public then perceive as being a Microsoft product.

Makes me laugh when I hear people say "The windows defrag tool is rubbish, I prefer to use Diskeeper"... it's the same product! Diskeeper is still going strong though, and ins't an example of "Microsoft assimilation".
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2004, 02:12:38 PM »
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Dude.... you truly scare me...


:-)

Your missing what i am saying. i know Windows comes with a load of junk nobody uses, i hate that too but i am on about three Microsoft products - "Internet Explorer" "Outlook Express" "Windows Media Player" which at the end of the day Microsoft owns the products and should include what the hell they want in their OS    without third parties (jealous rivals) attacking/suing at every angle.

If Microsoft loose their appeal then anyone could be the next target.

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People are being too quick to jump on the "It's Microsoft... let's get them!" bandwagon


Thats normal these days - pure jealousy and greed.
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2013, 03:18:05 AM »
Well guys it's happened again. $700m this time.  That should keep the EU lawyers and judges on the gravy train until the next OS release. Where does the fine go? Greece? LOL what a basket case is the EU.
I see that Google OS gives the option of installing IE. Not!.
MS would win in a court of law in the US if they took the EU to court but the resulting cost of sales and reputation would be of bigger impact. The EU knows this.
LOL you can't even run an alternate browser on a Windows RT device because none of the browser makers have a version.
The fact that MS apologise, feign mistake, and play along with the insanity reminds me of something out of a Shakespearian play.

One word "Corruption."
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2013, 04:59:02 AM »
Get's old listening to the nay sayers, Microsoft is a fantastic company.

The amount of money the put into hardware/software research produces some amazing products.

Of course if it was some other company they get away with it, for example Apple.

I hope they win the appeal. One get's tired of companies that can't actually win on their own merits so they turn to the court system.

Apple is probably more "evil" than MS will ever be.

I'd also watch out for Google...
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2013, 06:06:06 AM »
Why do people keep on spelling Microsoft as "M$" when Apple seem to have been this of late :confused:
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2013, 06:23:29 AM »
Coz Apple is cool.  Free black skivvy with each MacBook. :)
To be sure I wasn't looking to start an Apple bagging session.  The point is that both Apple and Google have shrink wrapped machines with OSes that don't give you a choice of browser.
IMO that means one thing. Corruption.

PS: Apple can sell millions of iPads with US 4G that doesn't even work on UK or Australian 4g networks and they get a slap on the Wrist. The answer: "you can still use Wi-Fi". But you cant use 4g.  You can still install, Chrome or Firefox on Win 8(Intel) and they work.
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2013, 06:26:28 AM »
What are they going to do with all that money? Right the wrongs that Microsoft did against the competition and against the people? RIGHT!
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2013, 11:20:09 AM »
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People are just too damn lazy to boycott, and prefer safety to freedom.

It's not laziness, it's greed. We're on a race to the bottom.
 
In the EU we're going through a huge scandal about processed beef products being made from horse meat. The shops say they are appalled that the manufactures mislead them and they will make sure it never happens again & that while this might increase prices we will be sure about what we're eating. Well I thought we were already sure about what we were eating, but now we need to give them more money to guarantee that.
 
Of course in the meantime they've profited from the price war the horse meat has allowed them to compete in.
 
I stopped eating beef when the CJD scare hit, so it doesn't really affect me.
 
I also reduced the amount of processed food I bought. It's hard to completely get rid of it as even chocolate is effectively processed. If I could get a decent supply of cocoa beans then I'd probably give it a go, because most chocolate in the UK is made using vegetable oils to reduce the price.
 
In the old days the millers used to add stuff to the flour to bulk it out, so it's not a new phenomenon.
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2013, 02:27:46 PM »
You cannot uninstall IE in Windows.

IE's core browser technology is used in explorer/desktop and also developers make use of IEs browser functonality in their own applications to make developing web based apps quicker and easier.

Think of it like a IE datatype/OO API for DOM, browsing,parsing and developing web pages.
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2013, 03:31:56 PM »
Yes you can. Not through "traditional" methods, but it can be done (not too difficult either). You have it backwards. IE uses Explorer functionality.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2013, 11:47:12 PM »
What nonsense IE has been uninstallable since Windows XP. There was a court case saying that Microsoft had to add this option....

For Windows 7 there's even an article on how to do it on the Microsoft KB. I'd take a screenshot of the Windows 7 one but I'm at work.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-NZ/windows7/how-do-i-install-or-uninstall-internet-explorer-9
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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2013, 12:43:41 AM »
Does it really matter? Install Windows, download favorite browser, set browser to default :p
 

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Re: Microsoft fined $613million by EU Court
« Reply #29 from previous page: March 11, 2013, 12:48:54 AM »
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Does it really matter? Install Windows, download favorite browser, set browser to default :p


That's way too complicated...Microsoft should include all popular browsers in their Windows updates. This is anti-competitive behaviour.