Cybervision 64/3D not working.

[Munchkin]

Thought I'd throw a question here.

My old A4000 worked perfectly up to a few years ago when it started having issues. One of them was that my gfx card didn't work.

After having the 4000 recapped, a CIA replaced and some other fixes as well as my CSMkII upgraded to a 060 and working fine, my CV643D is still not working.

It shows up as working in the boot meny board diagnostics but when I try to activate it with the monitor file the computer completely hangs and all I can do is a reset.

Tried it in all zorro slots with no difference. So, I believe something is wrong with the card but I have absolutely no idea what.

Ideas?

[Boing-ball]

When you say tried a monitor file? Are you talking about Picasso96 (P96)?
Which version of P96 are you using?
Which Buster revision do you have?
The Daughterboard is a Rev B original?

[Munchkin]

It worked for 20+ years with Picasso96 as well as CGX but I've used Picasso96 most of the time. The latest version of P96 I've found, not the commercial version.

The old installation that did work does not work now.

Buster rev 11.
Original Rev B yes, recapped, replaced one CIA and some other minor issues fixed. Runs like a rock without the card as well as the card inserted.

I have a Scandoubler in the video slot and an Ariadne II that also work without issues. The Ariadne is a ZII though, have no other ZIII card (except for the CSMkII in the CPU slot) so I can't test if there's some issue with those.

[Boing-ball]

Which Kickstart and AmigaOS versions are you using?
Have you tried cleaning the card edge connector?
The only issue must be the card itself. Anything on the card such as capacitors that may also need replacing?

[Munchkin]

Which Kickstart and AmigaOS versions are you using?
Have you tried cleaning the card edge connector?
The only issue must be the card itself. Anything on the card such as capacitors that may also need replacing?

I ran 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9 for many years. Lately 3.1.4 with a software rom update, still using 3.1 roms.

Also tried again with 3.9 that has been working before.

I've cleaned the card up as well as I possibly can, especially the connector as well as the Zorro slots.

So yes, I'm pretty sure it's something with the card. There might be capacitors but of a kind that I can't identify that are bad, I honestly don't know. Apparently nothing that affects the computer in general since it's rock solid until I double click the monitor file to activate it and everything freezes up completely and I have to reset.

[kolla]

So you upgraded from 68040 to 68060?
Obvious question - did you upgrade CPU library as well?

[Munchkin]

Yes, of course

But it started acting like this before the upgrade anyway.

[Munchkin]

Managed to actually get some response from the card now before it froze up. Tried a few different versions of 68060 libraries, this with the latest avaliable Phase 5 libraries.

This is what was on the display.

[Xanxi]

This card needs Super Buster 11 when operating with DMA cards but obviously it isn't your issue here.

Hardware wise, i would look closely to every solder joints because this card can bend a bit in the computer and there might be microcracks somewhere.
If you can, check the card in another computer, and in another zorro slot.

Software wise, you could also try the latest P96 as something new in your current setup might conflict with the old Picasso96 from Aminet.

[Munchkin]

This card needs Super Buster 11 when operating with DMA cards but obviously it isn't your issue here.

Hardware wise, i would look closely to every solder joints because this card can bend a bit in the computer and there might be microcracks somewhere.
If you can, check the card in another computer, and in another zorro slot.

Software wise, you could also try the latest P96 as something new in your current setup might conflict with the old Picasso96 from Aminet.

I am gonna try in another 3/4000 when I can get access to one.

I have checked as closely as I can and I can't see anything obviously off. Though, the solder joints are so small it's really hard to see without a microscope or a very good magnifying glass, the one I have isn't very good at all.

The only new thing in my setup i that the 060 replaced my old 040 on my CS MkII. Though, these problems started before I did that so I don't think it's related. Tried a number of different 68060 libraries as well and no real change, except for that one bad image that was a one time event so more like a fluke, which only suggests that this is not the issue either. As I've said, the computer is rock solid a long as I don't try to activate the card.

Two days ago I asked hese on amibay if he thought it was something repairable and he replied that it depends on what the issue is. There are two faults that makes it impossible to repair so I can only hope. But I'm still gonna try the card in another computer before just to make sure. I can't rule out that there's something else wrong that only affects this card so before sending it away I need to do that check.

Even if I may end up buying a ZZ9000 I still would like to get this card working. Nice thing to have for some other setup in the future.

[sandpiper]

I had a similar experience with my A4000D about a year ago after not using it for quite some time; also with a Cybervision 64/3D. My system is a little different though, a WarpEngine 040 and X-Surf instead of the cpu/network card combination that you have. I also have 3.2 ROMs but the problem existed with the previous 3.1 ROMs. However, the problem was similar. No matter what I tried, I could not get the Cybervision to 'work', meaning disply video. It was only recognized in the early start-up if it was in the lowest slot. Even when placed there, it was not recognized by P96 (I have the latest P96 version). The X-surf was recognized in all slots, but was only functional in the lowest slot.

I sent the machine to a repair shop for motherboard diagnostics. A few traces due to previous battery damage were repaired and all the motherboard caps were replaced. I even removed the WarpEngine and tried with the original 030 card. I also tried several other ZII cards. All to no avail.

After spending a great deal of time with this, I decided to take a chance and buy a brand new daughter card. I was pleasantly surprised that you can still buy these reproduction cards.  Problem solved. I think the operative phrase here was "take a chance".  I don't know anyone with an Amiga any more and I didn't seem to have any other options. Luckily for me it worked.

[Munchkin]

I had a similar experience with my A4000D about a year ago after not using it for quite some time; also with a Cybervision 64/3D. My system is a little different though, a WarpEngine 040 and X-Surf instead of the cpu/network card combination that you have. I also have 3.2 ROMs but the problem existed with the previous 3.1 ROMs. However, the problem was similar. No matter what I tried, I could not get the Cybervision to 'work', meaning disply video. It was only recognized in the early start-up if it was in the lowest slot. Even when placed there, it was not recognized by P96 (I have the latest P96 version). The X-surf was recognized in all slots, but was only functional in the lowest slot.

I sent the machine to a repair shop for motherboard diagnostics. A few traces due to previous battery damage were repaired and all the motherboard caps were replaced. I even removed the WarpEngine and tried with the original 030 card. I also tried several other ZII cards. All to no avail.

After spending a great deal of time with this, I decided to take a chance and buy a brand new daughter card. I was pleasantly surprised that you can still buy these reproduction cards.  Problem solved. I think the operative phrase here was "take a chance".  I don't know anyone with an Amiga any more and I didn't seem to have any other options. Luckily for me it worked.

It auto-configures whatever slot I put it in. The card is recognised whatever I do, whichamiga sees it and so on. It just hangs everything when I initialise it. My Ariadne-II and my MFC-III works perfectly, they are ZII cards though. I can't rule out that there might be some problem that only affects ZIII cards. The CPU board works though, and that's ZIII so who knows. I am gonna test it in another 4000 when it's possible. If it behaves the same there I know it's the card, if it works I'll have to dig deeper and the daughter board could be a cause of course.

[Munchkin]

Card is now fixed and working. A small hard to see scratch on the backside of the card had broken a few traces.

Works beautifully now which is a relief.