Be friends! Please!... Amiga and Genesi! I love you both!, but...

[AmiDelf]

What is the reason things is like they are? Amiga users deserves more than this?

Don't you agree with that?

Well. For me, I am now restarting with my development of amigaworld.org, because I've got MorphOS installed on my new PegasosII 600MHz.

Does this mean that I fully ignore Amiga INC? No, it isn't. Because, sure both of these products is superb, and I have allmost no negative words to say about MorphOS. AmigaOS4 is yet to be seen.

Why can't all Amiga developers go tougether and create a webpage on-line wich contains Amiga-MOS developer stuff. Why? Because MorphOS is as much as a AmigaOS as AmigaOS4 is.

The difference here, is that MorphOS is actually out and people can develope for it. The public is there to help it out. Thats what helped Amiga when no one owned our beloved Amiga.

Dopus v5 came, Phase 5 developed PPC cards and things happened in the background all the time. Really neat. Then Amiga INC took it all over, and the development has halted, until MorphOS actually got released.

This is the reason why I have choosen MorphOS. Its free for everyone to develope something on. I would sure go for AmigaOS4 if this was the case for it too, but it isn't. Its as silent as a sleeping elephant

Well. AmigaOS4 developers should help out MorphOS and opposite. And in the end, one of these OS's have to emerge to each other. If there is a chance to win over MacOS X, then we need more armour, more bazookas and such.

Let's start to work tougether now!

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[Floid]

In last Sunday's New York Times, there's a photo of a mourner in Seville who's taped a sign on his umbrella: "NO AL TERRORISMO."

(My thoughts to those caught up in that, by the way.)

[bloodline]

How's the "New Amiga" comming?

[T_Bone]

> Does this mean that I fully ignore Amiga INC? No, it isn't. Because, sure both of these [snip]

Amiga Inc don't own AmigaOS anymore, a company called KMOS does apparently, and before that another company called Itec did.

@Amidelf,

While I share a bit of your frustration, all of this comes down to egos and nothing more.  People can pretend that there are licensing issues, but there aren't.  Personal ego however is the strongest of all causes and people won't get involved with people they don't like.  

It's EXACTLY this reason that McEwen didn't license OS4 to Bill Buck in the first place.  It wasn't economics, it wasn't licensing issues, it was the fact that Buck in some way pissed off McEwen (and I'm sure it runs both ways), so McEwen refused to license the OS development to him (otherwise we'd already have "AmigaOS4" in the form of MorphOS).  

Buck as a result of ego went off on a different -- and apparently more successful -- path.  That is of course presuming that Buck didn't give McEwen all the ideas and strategies they had as he claims to have done. (reference Buck's claims on Moobunny and ANN)

Confidence is good, egotism is bad.  Seperating the two is difficult when you're on the inside staring out.

Wayne

[amigamad]

Let's start to work tougether now![/quote

True its the only way forwards.
 

[AmiDelf]

Then maybe KMOS can give Genesi some part of the code.

We want all a greater future. People needs to learn how to behave and have personal and job thoughts on each sides.

I feel that Amiga and Genesi is like Palestina and Israel. Now we build a biiig fence, so no one can cross it.

Grrr,...

Why cant we as the community show how good we are actually? Because in the 90s we worked tougether. Now MorphOS should get all of the attention. Because its so much further in development than AmigaOS4. Its sad, but true

The same thing when we worked at studies here in groups. Creating ideas, manuscripts for movie and such. There was 2 canditates and offcourse we had deadline. I am the leader of the group and since the one had a complete manuscript in time before deadline and the other person didn't. I choosed it and thats it.

We should go for what we have, implement those good things in AOS4 and give it to MorphOS and let that be the next OS.
Pegasos also needs a better Open Firmware if its going to want to release this thing to the masses out there. Also fixes of the MorphOS installation and more.

We can work tougether! Yes we can!

We have to go for whats out and whats useable. MorphOS is far, far more stable than AmigaOS v3.9 It has its bugs, but they are minimal.

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[bloodline]

What about your new computer Michal?

[takemehomegrandma]

AmiDelf wrote:
Then maybe KMOS can give Genesi some part of the code.

Why on earth would anyone want OS4 code in MorphOS?

 :-?

[Cyberus]

@takemehomegrandma

Is that a burning cross in your avatar?  :-o

[AmiDelf]

This sort of comments is what blocking it all. Why?

AmigaOS4 sure got lots of nice things wich MorphOS dosen't have. It can all be the best OS for everyone if we take different cake types and eats them into one mouth.

Sure there is people against this. People is against everything, but needs to be learned, then they say oki. You have to learn that..

MorphOS is out now! Its out for the public. AmigaOS4 is not and is delayed 2 weeks and 2 weeks all the time. How is that possible to be such liars to the community? I feel betrayed by Hyperion and Amiga INC.

Genesi might not be perfect neither, but this company is creating a strong community at the moment, which by the time AmigaOS4 get released, will be stronger than ever. And very hard to destroy or getting people to sell their PegasosII computers for AmigaONE!

I just think that AmigaONE and Pegasos should both be Open to each other, and let these OS's and the community decide the fate and not the companies. Thats in the past, now we are in 2004. Yes, as you read 2*0*0*4

Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org

[mikeymike]

@ takemehomegrandma

I second Cyberus's comment about your avatar, with my moderator hat on...

@ AmiDelf

AmigaOS4 sure got lots of nice things wich MorphOS dosen't have.

Not backing up that statement is going to get you a load of people asking you to, so... please back up that statement :-)

[IonDeluxe]

While I share a bit of your frustration, all of this comes down to egos and nothing more. People can pretend that there are licensing issues, but there aren't. Personal ego however is the strongest of all causes and people won't get involved with people they don't like.

Well we agree with most of what you said here.However, BBRV certainly said there were lisencing issues.

It's EXACTLY this reason that McEwen didn't license OS4 to Bill Buck in the first place. It wasn't economics, it wasn't licensing issues, it was the fact that Buck in some way pissed off McEwen (and I'm sure it runs both ways), so McEwen refused to license the OS development to him (otherwise we'd already have "AmigaOS4" in the form of MorphOS).

I would sincerely like to see any factual evidence you have of B.McEwens intentions in this regard.

Buck as a result of ego went off on a different -- and apparently more successful -- path. That is of course presuming that Buck didn't give McEwen all the ideas and strategies they had as he claims to have done. (reference Buck's claims on Moobunny and ANN)

Well this remains to be seen, and only time will tell in fullness.

Bottom line in this topic is that Amiga Inc. is no longer at the party at all, as far as we know.Until we know more information we can pretty well forget about them as far as A1/os4 and Pegasos/morphos goes.
I think things have gone too far down the line to really bring them back together, and when AOS4 I think we will see the two "camps" go thier seperate ways, something that I feel should probably happen now. On the other hand, maybe Kmos can somehow meld it back together, there no longer is an "ego" issue here.

My personal feelings are that as long as BBRV is involved with Genesi, then I want nothing at all to do with them.Not saying the product they have is inferior in anyway.

Perhaps KMOS, if it has as much money as has been implied, should buy Morphos and the pegasos as well and solve the issue once and for all lol

[cecilia]

Confidence is good, egotism is bad. Seperating the two is difficult when you're on the inside staring out.

Amen to THAT, brother!
It's why I never wanted to get involved in any of this fighting nonsense. it's such a bore!

I just think that AmigaONE and Pegasos should both be Open to each other, and let these OS's and the community decide the fate and not the companies. Thats in the past, now we are in 2004

That's why (several weeks agao, now) I wrote about "Amiga Heroes". We are here to help each other and we have to understand that no company is going to care about us like WE do. We are the ones who have been loyal to a computer IDEA. so we should be loyal to each other.

talk is cheap and all i've ever heard from "heads" of companies is cheap talk. ignore them all.

actions are what counts and each Amiga programmer/artist who has ever made anything for the community is the ONLY people deseving of respect.

lets be good to each other.

[vortexau]

I feel sure that for the present, at least, there can't be that many differences between Mos & AmigaOS4 for software to be written for either, or for both.

Could not Applications, Services, and Games, for BOTH Platforms be marketed on just ONE CD with individual Installers to be able to install just the particular components required for running on either system?

For instance, in the past there have been cases of the ONE MEDIA containing TWO versions of a piece of software: like the game Blasteroids ( 1987 TENGEN. 1989 MIRRORSOFT Ltd.) which was marketed on a 3.5" diskette as DUAL FORMAT for PC & COMPATIBLES/CBM AMIGA.

Surely if THAT could work, a media could contain DUAL FORMAT MOS/AOS4 install versions?  
 :-?