Tiny PPC board and AmigaOS 4

[asian1]

Hi
There are several Tiny PPC boards:
1. GMS Spider 7.5 cm x 5 cm, 800 MHz PowerPC.
2. Data Design "Linux Rocket": 2 square inches, PPC 405, 400 MHz

Is it possible to port AmigaOS 4 to the above devices?

Is it possible to create Amiga laptop based on the product?

Perhaps Mr G. Hare from KMOS have new policy or strategy.

GMS

Data Design

[xeron]

asian1 wrote:
Is it possible to port AmigaOS 4 to the above devices?
Is it possible to create Amiga laptop based on the product?

Well, both are possible. Whether it happens or not is another matter. I know one thing; I'd give my right arm for a PPC laptop with native OS4 on it ;-)

[Jope]

Why not just buy a powerbook and advocate an Amigoid OS port to that?-)

Then again OSX already runs on that so after you use that, you might forget all about that Amiga-alike OS port. :-)

[xeron]

Why not just buy a powerbook and advocate an Amigoid OS port to that?-)

Why would I buy an expensive laptop that definately won't run the software I want to run on it? :-?

Then again OSX already runs on that so after you use that, you might forget all about that Amiga-alike OS port. :-)

Yeah, right.

[asian1]

>Small size

Hi
Because of its small size, is it possible to use the board as upgrade for classic amiga case?
AFAIK the low power PPC 405 can be used without fan/passive cooling.
Will KMOS have the same "Eyetech only" policy, similar to Amiga Inc?
Micro A1 is too big for several embedded applications. Micro A1 also need fan.

[Herewegoagain]

asian1 wrote:
>Small size

Hi
Because of its small size, is it possible to use the board as upgrade for classic amiga case?
AFAIK the low power PPC 405 can be used without fan/passive cooling.
Will KMOS have the same "Eyetech only" policy, similar to Amiga Inc?
Micro A1 is too big for several embedded applications. Micro A1 also need fan.

There has never been an "Eyetech only" policy.  It has always been said that anyone who wished to have their hardware run OS4 only needed to obtain a proper license from Amiga.  Until now, nobody else has wanted to, apparently.

[Troels_E]

The MicroA1 doesn't need a fan AFAIK. It will probably be available with several diffrent cpu's also versions that doesn't need a fan, if that is needed by some customors?

Troels

[JoannaK]

Herewegoagain wrote:

asian1 wrote:
>Small size

Hi
Because of its small size, is it possible to use the board as upgrade for classic amiga case?
AFAIK the low power PPC 405 can be used without fan/passive cooling.
Will KMOS have the same "Eyetech only" policy, similar to Amiga Inc?
Micro A1 is too big for several embedded applications. Micro A1 also need fan.

There has never been an "Eyetech only" policy.  It has always been said that anyone who wished to have their hardware run OS4 only needed to obtain a proper license from Amiga.  Until now, nobody else has wanted to, apparently.

IMHO dicsussion about AmigaInc lisenses is quite moot these days, they have sold entire AmigaOS (and apparently related stuff) allmost a year ago. I would be highly surpriced if these new (mostly unknown) right holders would use same terms or even allow old licenses to carry on.

[rayt]

> Micro A1 also need fan.

Afaik with a g3 there should be no problems without a fan. And you can always put a fat heatsink on a g4 and wont need a fan either. But I agree that it would be positive to have os4 running on more boards.

I know its off topic but why dont eyetech rename the microa1 to minia1?? Its plain stupid to call a mini itx board "micro"..

[Martyn]

I would be highly surpriced if these new (mostly unknown) right holders would use same terms or even allow old licenses to carry on.

Then prepare to be highly surprised!  KMOS stated in the purchase announcment they would indeed honour all contracts/licenses for Hyperion and Eyetech.

[JoannaK]

Martyn wrote:

I would be highly surpriced if these new (mostly unknown) right holders would use same terms or even allow old licenses to carry on.

Then prepare to be highly surprised!  KMOS stated in the purchase announcment they would indeed honour all contracts/licenses for Hyperion and Eyetech.

Yep, so they say now. But conidering that these licenses have (apparently, I have seen no conclusive evidence of these deals) allready changed hands twice during last year (Kmos didn't pruchase them directly from Ainc, instead they last october(?) aquired another company who did the purchase april 2003) how long can you expect this situation to hold for now? .. Month? Year? 5 years?

[Dan]

If you want to run an amigalike os on laptops or custom formfactors, I think AROS is the choice.
AROS already runs on x86-laptops and mini-itx boards.
I presume that it also can run on small x86 industrial computers.
The only issue is ethernet and soundrivers, once AROS gets those.
But I think AROS will get those drivers before OS4/MorphOS runs on anything else than Amigaone/microA1/Pegasos.
You could even have AROS running inside a matchbox http://matchbox.stanford.edu/cebit.html
There are all kinds of weirdo formfactors for x86 like DIMM-PC,PC104 and stuff.
I wonder if AROS would run on this http://www.lillfab.se/boards/cpus/Adnp1486/ADNP1486.htm
or maybe this http://www.dilnetpc.com/dnp0032.htm
586 133Mhz 64MByte SDRAM 16 MB FLASH 10/100 Mbps Ethernet
COM1/COM2 16550 Serial Ports on a 82mm * 28mm stick, too bad  video is an addon.

How hard would it be to port AROS to StrongARM/Xscale?
There is many minimotherboards StrongARM and Linux these days. And powerconsumption is a bit lower on that than x86 :-)

An handheld with Xscale and AROS with UAE would be both a good PDA and handheldgame like GBA/GP32.
I already have a PocketPC-pda but I can´t stand that OS, so it´s just collecting dust.
Why can´t Sharp get around to launching the SL-6000 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6804055064.html
 also see http://www.sharpusa.com/products/FunctionPressReleaseSingle/0,1080,395-29,00.html
so I can run UAE at a good PDA( and maybe AROS hosted under linux) 640x480 LCD and Xscale™ 400MHz 64MB SDRAM and 64MB FLASH and  built-in wireless 802.11b, its a really highspec pda.

[Seehund]

Jope wrote:
Why not just buy a powerbook and advocate an Amigoid OS port to that?-)

Wrong order. Never buy hardware until the software you want runs on it.

(No pun intended towards current Teron owners)

[Seehund]

Martyn wrote:

I would be highly surpriced if these new (mostly unknown) right holders would use same terms or even allow old licenses to carry on.

Then prepare to be highly surprised!  KMOS stated in the purchase announcment they would indeed honour all contracts/licenses for Hyperion and Eyetech.

We don't know what those contracts with single companies say and include.
Just because the single company Eyetech might still have the right to sell Terons under their "AmigaOne" label with the single companies Hyperion's and KMOS's OS, this doesn't necessarily imply that the compulsory hardware licensing/bundling/dongling scheme is/will still be in place.

OTOH, so far it appears to me like KMOS is merely an AInc shell company, and AInc shuffling dates, names and assets around on paper doesn't have to mean anything concrete for AmigaOS. Until we hear otherwise (it's only been a year or so... ), we can assume that idiocy/disinterest still rules and the scheme is still in place.

[Seehund]

Herewegoagain wrote:

asian1 wrote:

There has never been an "Eyetech only" policy.  It has always been said that anyone who wished to have their hardware run OS4 only needed to obtain a proper license from Amiga.  Until now, nobody else has wanted to, apparently.

I only know of one other instance of interest in that license, and after one e-mail reply that company never heard from AInc again.

Anyone remember the company's name? I lost all my bookmarks in a recent Galeon upgrade, but they posted it in a comment on ANN. "PC Express" or something. I remember it was a US company that seemed to be at least as capable and reputable as the current licensee.