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Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2019, 09:05:06 AM »
Novacoder is right, 68040 is absolutely minium for this. And every possible way to get more speed is needed to get this as usefull as possible.

Realistic minium for CPU and ram is 68040 with 32mb ram. It surely start with basic installation OS 6030 with 16 mb ram. Netsurf takes about 10,5mb when started.
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Offline Primax

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2019, 07:10:26 AM »
I have to disagree!
Then you could also say: Use a emulator. But actually many users have an Amiga with 030 accelerator board.
I would suggest: Please optimize it for a minimum of 64MB RAM, better 128MB.
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2019, 07:46:24 AM »
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I have to disagree!
Then you could also say: Use a emulator. But actually many users have an Amiga with 030 accelerator board.
I would suggest: Please optimize it for a minimum of 64MB RAM, better 128MB.

Do you understand what you are saying? 68030 is just not enough. When talking about web browser ram is matter of usage, not for optimization.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline Rotzloeffel

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2019, 12:16:54 PM »
I am trying the 68 k Version and it allways reminds me for having the guigfx.library installed. It is installed! What else du I need ? I can not see any specials in Snoopdos.

Thanks
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Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2019, 12:05:23 AM »
jos you have guigfx.library on libs? You would also need render.library

http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/guigfxlib
http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/renderlib31

Are you sure that you have 68k version of guigfx library installed?
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Offline Rotzloeffel

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2019, 09:50:08 AM »
jos you have guigfx.library on libs? You would also need render.library
Are you sure that you have 68k version of guigfx library installed?

Yes, the render.library did the trick :) Thanks... The Errormessage allways said, that guigfx.library is missing.... but after installing render.library everthing is working.... but extreamly slow! 3.7 is 4 times faster....
« Last Edit: August 19, 2019, 01:24:56 PM by Rotzloeffel »
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Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2019, 10:59:28 PM »
Intresting, are you sure that four times is enough. ;) What kind of Amiga you have? I ques that 68040 or 68060 because 68030 doesn't seem to get that genera slow down.

But in preferences in images settings cache native version is it on and java disabled?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline Rotzloeffel

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2019, 08:38:35 AM »
four times was just a "Feeling". I Checked with Startpage of a1k.org ... in 3.7 it Needs 18 Seconds in 3.9 60,2.. so 4 times is not that much incorrect.... And on this page there is nothing Special....
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Offline chris

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2019, 11:54:31 PM »

Yes, the render.library did the trick :) Thanks... The Errormessage allways said, that guigfx.library is missing.... but after installing render.library everthing is working....

That's because guigfx needs render but NetSurf only needs guigfx, it doesn't know about render.

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but extreamly slow! 3.7 is 4 times faster....

The source code is available if somebody actually wants to try fixing this issue rather than just whinging about it on a forum.

As it happens, it appears that I've used -m68020 everywhere and although I don't recall changing this, at some point in the past I'm fairly sure I used one of the more compatible options.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2019, 12:00:16 AM by chris »
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Offline NovaCoder

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2019, 02:06:41 AM »
I recently compiled NetSurf 3.9 on Linux and it was pretty bloody slow even on my PC so maybe the problem is that NetSurf has simply got too much for low powered machines?   

Unfortunately this tends to happen with large open source projects as more features are added it becomes harder to run ports on older machines, ScummVM is a good example of this (try running version 2.1 on an 030!).

I appreciate your AmigaOS porting efforts Chris  8)
« Last Edit: August 21, 2019, 02:08:53 AM by NovaCoder »
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Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2019, 08:09:00 AM »
NovaCoder: There are plenty of settings to tinker. Disabling java speeds up 68k version a lot (or at least it used to do) In preferenses image settings cache native versions all also speeds up. etc.

Could you consider to help Chris with this? This was really near to be usefull with real amigas. Practical hardware minium was 68040 with 32b ram. This site used to render about 20 seconds.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline nbache

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2019, 11:57:26 AM »
@chris:

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That's because guigfx needs render but NetSurf only needs guigfx, it doesn't know about render.
This confusion has hit users many times before (including myself) and is a common issue in forum posts.

Maybe the error message could be changed to say "... guigfx.library (and/or render.library) ..." or something?

Best regards,

Niels
 

Offline NovaCoder

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2019, 01:38:16 AM »
NovaCoder: There are plenty of settings to tinker. Disabling java speeds up 68k version a lot (or at least it used to do) In preferenses image settings cache native versions all also speeds up. etc.

Could you consider to help Chris with this? This was really near to be usefull with real amigas. Practical hardware minium was 68040 with 32b ram. This site used to render about 20 seconds.

I'm not doing much in the way of Amiga coding these days and to be honest this is not my area of expertise so I doubt I'd be of much help anyway.
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Offline treqie

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2019, 09:35:54 AM »
I tried artis port of netsurf (on a 1200/060). And it felt a lot faster? Do the ports differ that much? or is my configuration for chris port in need of some setting?  :p or should they be somewhat on par with eachother?
 

Offline utri007

Re: NetSurf 3.9 web browser released
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2019, 01:04:51 PM »
It used to be much faster than Artis fork. About 2x. Something has happened and speed is lost.

You should try 3.6 etc
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD