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Offline Thomas Richter

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #435 on: June 19, 2019, 11:29:13 PM »
So then OS 3.1.4 is not an update of OS 3.1, but a new OS developed by Hyperion.
...not but, but "because", which makes it a proper update. Now, go trolling elsewhere. Kolla, I asked multiple times what your problem is. Have you problems at your job, or position, or family that you are so negative about everything and everyone.
 
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Offline kolla

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #436 on: June 21, 2019, 09:10:12 AM »
I am not negative against everything and everyone, the list is extremely short - I am mostly positive with all that goes on in the Amiga community, I have supported bounties, kickstarters, software development, patreons for developers, podcasts... I have done testing, reported bugs and helped with debugging (and you know this, but where Olsen always is the kindest and easy to communicate with, you tend to be arrogant and patronising). I was not negative against you, nor OS 3.1.4, before it became clear how this "product" is distributed and what the implications are (btw - "distribution" is on-topic, according to post #1 in this very thread) . I don't know exactly what triggered you to start this "slanderous campaign" against me - I do not have any problems, neither in job nor private, and if I had, it would be none of your business. What I am negative against is bullshit, and lately you have been climbing up the "bullshit ladder" quite rapidly. Why are you resorting to "scientology" tactics btw, are you a scientologist perhaps? Or perhaps you just enjoy the status of "alpha-nerd" among a handful of faithful sycophants, like some certain other Germans I know of...  It's not like I am the only one who find it troubling to see where things are heading with the way the OS is now developed, but I am perhaps more vocal about it... there are others who just roll their eyes and leave.
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Offline Thomas Richter

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #437 on: June 21, 2019, 12:29:15 PM »
I was not negative against you, nor OS 3.1.4, before it became clear how this "product" is distributed and what the implications are (btw - "distribution" is on-topic, according to post #1 in this very thread) .
What is the problem with distribution? You can buy it, in multiple ways. With ROM, without ROM, electronically, physically, as you like. At that point, you started to provocate. Questions nobody here can answer, for the purpose to ramble, not to get them answered. You know as much as I do about the story. These were never serious questions to begin with, you know that, I know that. Nobody here can give you a legally binding answer, and it does not help to continue nagging and anyoing people about it. Read the license on the web page. If that does not answer your question, nobody here can give you an answer either.

I wouldn't know any better way of distribution, seriously.

I don't know exactly what triggered you to start this "slanderous campaign" against me
Read your posts. As simple as that.

I do not have any problems, neither in job nor private, and if I had, it would be none of your business.
I just wonder why you react as you react. You like to provocate people. Why is that race for attention? You criticise anyone and anything, without willing to contribute for the positive. That is called "trolling". People that troll do that for a reason. I don't know your reason, but there must be one. You could also be helpful. "Here is my swedish translation" would be one. "I would like to be member of the beta-tester team" would be one. Yet, nothing of that happens. That is your decision, but don't blame anyone for a decision you made yourself.

What I am negative against is bullshit, and lately you have been climbing up the "bullshit ladder" quite rapidly.
As for example?

Why are you resorting to "scientology" tactics btw, are you a scientologist perhaps? Or perhaps you just enjoy the status of "alpha-nerd" among a handful of faithful sycophants, like some certain other Germans I know of...
You are wrong on this account, most definitely. Could you please, just for a moment, try to put yourself in my position? I'm working unpaid here. Yet, all I hear from you is negative feelings about every minor bit, most of which is due to misunderstandings, lack of insight, or ignorance. Do you believe it is fun to communicate to people like you?

It's not like I am the only one who find it troubling to see where things are heading with the way the OS is now developed, but I am perhaps more vocal about it... there are others who just roll their eyes and leave.
So where is it heading, in your oppinion? You know nothing where it is heading, actually, you are not in the communication pipeline, you are not a beta-tester, you are not a developer. I can only repeat what vision or strategy here is: Don't break things, keep the software collection workable, as much as we possibly can. Try to progress where we can.

At points, this requires to make compromises. At times, these compromises require insights into details you do not have. Please believe that it is all but easy to find such compromises. The problem is that everyone here seem to have an opinion, yet without the insight, yet without willing to contribute. See the problem?

Do you believe we make bugs for purpose? That I'm withholding updates for a purpose? That I define the copyright situation?

So, what can we do about that? That, for starters, you thrust us that there are sometimes good reasons for choices being made, probably for reasons you do not fully understand at this point, or do not have the insight in. I'm trying to provide motivations, but if you do not want to contribute, it does not make sense to keep nagging about them every time. Shell parsing is one, for example. I explained why the Pipe command is a bad idea, you do not understand the details because you don't have to maintain the code - so then, it does not matter to continue questioning the decision. At this point, I still stand for the decision getting rid of some legacy, for the better.

You question why we make bugs? We make bugs because we are all human. We try to fix things, as fast and as smooth as possible, but the whole situation complicated, and I cannot resolve issues that are not under my control. So what do you want to hear? That there will be an update? Yes, of course, there will be. That this will be free of charge? Yes, it will.

Timing is not entirely under my control, and the speed by which we deliver bug fixes neither. With only part-time developers handy, part-time beta-testing, and a "community" that nags about every little problem... it is not easy. With the contraints we have, it is a pretty rough life.

Please keep this in mind, and be a bit more moderate in what you demand from people working entirely in their spare time.
 
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Offline number6

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #438 on: June 21, 2019, 01:21:15 PM »
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What is the problem with distribution? You can buy it, in multiple ways. With ROM, without ROM, electronically, physically, as you like. At that point, you started to provocate. Questions nobody here can answer

Not entirely true re:answer. Everything may change with time, but the legal docs are clear.
The request for injunction to prevent release was denied.
In layman terms rights revert to time prior to the filing of the suit basically.
Therefore there is currently no problem with the distribution.
Please don't make me cut and paste from the docs. Just accept it.
There really are other threads to argue the lawsuits themselves.

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Offline Thomas Richter

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
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Offline kolla

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #444 on: June 26, 2019, 12:51:31 PM »
So will Hyperion have their website fixed in the remaining days? It is still broken in all kinds of ways, despite _requiring_ registration for updates, https is largely unsupported on the site, and the certificate ran out almost two months ago.

Why is this so damn hard to fix? Is one supposed to just use fake credentials to protect oneself?

This (among a handful of other things) is what I mean with "distribution problems"... a class action style GDPR based lawsuit would fit them well, huh?

And while I am posting - someone tell Damien over at EAB that it is the only site I am banned, unlike what he likes to believe.
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Offline Thomas Richter

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #445 on: June 26, 2019, 04:19:35 PM »
Why is this so damn hard to fix?
I'm not Hyperion, but let me make a best guess: Because the whole website is maintained by one single individual - who probably feels disillusional about Amiga, and has to make a living by a day job.

You somehow seem to consider Hyperion as a small or medium sized enterprise, with a regularly paid web master, taking care of all the responsibilities in a 9-to-5 job. I afraid that it is not like this. I wish it would be different, but as far as I understand, there is simply not enough regular income to pay such a position. So, in the end, it all boils down to a lot of voluntary work, with only little financial benefit with a salery below industry standards.

So probably attempt to make the following calculation: How many copies were sold, by how much a copy. Then consider how much you need to hire personell, in times like this where it is hard to find qualified people, then consider for how long you could pay them with the income you generate, and then consider the likeliness of finding interested applicants.

This is a small market, with many risks, with only limited chances for success.
 
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Offline Thomas Richter

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
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Offline hth313

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #447 on: June 26, 2019, 08:29:17 PM »
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And while I am posting - someone tell Damien over at EAB that it is the only site I am banned, unlike what he likes to believe.

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Offline kolla

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #448 on: June 27, 2019, 07:10:59 AM »
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You somehow seem to consider Hyperion as a small or medium sized enterprise
Nonsense, stop putting words in my mouth - I consider them a one-man show, a lawyer, with a plumber and an sql-jockey as sidekicks.

But... it's not like https is magic and maintaining a certificate is wizardry, this is really simple to fix issues, but yet they are incapable. It seems they are only interested to offer support if your problem is related to registering and paying, otherwise it is utter silence.
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Offline Thomas Richter

Re: The Os 3.1.4 Thread
« Reply #449 on: June 27, 2019, 08:18:20 AM »
But... it's not like https is magic and maintaining a certificate is wizardry, this is really simple to fix issues, but yet they are incapable. It seems they are only interested to offer support if your problem is related to registering and paying, otherwise it is utter silence.
Then again, what help is this forum? Nobody here is from Hyperion, so nobody here can help in first place. Write them, or don't, but this is certainly the wrong place.
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