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WHDLoad on a 68040
« on: November 23, 2017, 09:19:26 PM »
I'm having trouble with some games through WHDLoad on an A4000 with a 68040. Generally it manifests as slowdown as soon as more than a few sprites appear on screen; in Cannon Fodder, for instance, playing with four soldiers is impossible as the game becomes unbearably slow as soon as they all start firing. Putty Squad is generally too sluggish to be enjoyable.

I've tried a couple of tricks such as setting the NOCACHE and NOMMU tooltypes, to no avail. Is there anything else I should try, short of going back to an 030?
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2017, 12:38:10 AM »
Is there a graphics card in the system?
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2017, 07:25:51 AM »
I also had a 68040 in my Amiga 4000. The 68040 has more issues when running WHDLoad games. Sometimes the game is very fast or very slow. Other processors like 680x0 are more compatible than the 68040.

Before you swap the 68040 for a 68030, Do you have set the transfer mask to 00x1fe00 in HDToolbox?
 

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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2017, 11:34:50 AM »
I have had pretty good luck with adding nommu in the icon info for getting games to work. And If I really had to play something I would dump it to floppy and boot to 1.3 :)
edit: opps missed that you tried the nommu...
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2017, 04:26:25 PM »
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I also had a 68040 in my Amiga 4000. The 68040 has more issues when running WHDLoad games. Sometimes the game is very fast or very slow. Other processors like 680x0 are more compatible than the 68040.

Before you swap the 68040 for a 68030, Do you have set the transfer mask to 00x1fe00 in HDToolbox?


I have not yet tried that (the transfer mask) -- is it safe to do?
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2017, 04:30:08 PM »
I had 68040 many years and had very few issues wich wouln't be solved with whdload tool types.
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2017, 05:00:34 PM »
The '040 sometimes requires a little more fine-tuning than an '030, but other expansions in the system can also cause issues (for example a network card, graphics card, or USB card that may need additional scripting to disable prior to starting the game.  WHDLoad includes some basic scripts for these).

The WHDLoad website has a complete list of tooltypes, but off the top of my head one that has worked well for me in the past is NOAUTOVEC.  :)
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2017, 09:06:21 PM »
Hi!

I also have issues with bone stock A4000/040 (only addon is Indivision AGA for now). Actually Cannon Fodder crashes in mission 24 so I can't move on. It gives me "Access Fault" ($7008) error messages all the time . Also some demos had similar problems and crashes on exactly same spot if I rerun them. I also tried all kinds of commands (NOCACHE, different max transfer values, etc.) and even tried OCS chipset on early startup, but for now no luck. My A1200/030 works flawlessly with WHDLoad software.

I even tried CF-card from that A1200 but same software crashes in same spots. So if anyone got realistic solution or sane explanation I'm listening too.
 

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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2017, 10:32:26 PM »
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The '040 sometimes requires a little more fine-tuning than an '030, but other expansions in the system can also cause issues (for example a network card, graphics card, or USB card that may need additional scripting to disable prior to starting the game.  WHDLoad includes some basic scripts for these).

The WHDLoad website has a complete list of tooltypes, but off the top of my head one that has worked well for me in the past is NOAUTOVEC.  :)


Thanks for the advice. I don't have any Zorro or graphics cards installed, so I'll try tweaking the tooltypes and see if I can massage it into behaving. I'd love to stick with the 040 because it's so much noticeably faster than my 030 otherwise!
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2017, 03:32:15 PM »
Still no real change with those tool types or the HDToolbox change. Does anyone have a suggested list of tool types for Cannon Fodder specifically?
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2017, 04:36:49 PM »
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Still no real change with those tool types or the HDToolbox change. Does anyone have a suggested list of tool types for Cannon Fodder specifically?

Are you running the latest version of WHDLoad?  Try downloading a different install/slave?
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2017, 08:00:05 PM »
Anything special on startup-sequence? It could be wrongly configured patch?
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2017, 10:16:40 PM »
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Anything special on startup-sequence? I could wrongly configured patch?


this would be my guess, too.

just boot without startup-sequence and run whdload manually?
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Re: WHDLoad on a 68040
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2017, 10:17:40 PM »
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Before you swap the 68040 for a 68030, Do you have set the transfer mask to 00x1fe00 in HDToolbox?


wouldnt that only affect loading? unless the sprites are loaded from disk during gameplay, I cant see how this would affect performance.
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