Hyperion announces OS 3.1 update

[nyteschayde]

Sorry to disappoint you. Just to make one thing clear: 3.1.4 is not supposed to be a replacement for Os 3.9. It cannot. We do not have Reaction, and a lot of other distributions for 3.9. Nor is it supposed to be. You can certainly install it on top of 3.9 if you like.

In particular: 3.1.4 will not come with Reaction. It will not come with Reaction-based preferences. It will not come with Genesis. It will not come with BenchTrash, ZipTools or ViNCEd. It will not come with AmiDock, WarpOs, the xpk-libraries or AsyncWB, or AWeb. There will be no MP3 player, no CD-Player, no AVI-Player. It will not come with the mmulib.

This is a bare-bone core operating system, same bare-bone as 3.1 was. If you need further components, you'll find plenty in Aminet. Actually, part of the goal is to leave "distribution building" to third parties, as we have really limited development capacity.

Furthermore, nobody is willing to guarantee you anything in Amigaland, how can we possibly do that? We're doing the best we can, that is all I can promise.

Thus, if you expect a new, fully blown distribution, you are wrong here. All I am going to promise is a bug-fixed release of Os 3.1. It was never announced as anything beyond that.

Thus, if you expect the best invention since deep dishes (as we say in Germany) - no, it's not. But it is the latest, newest and most robust deep dish anyone can possibly sell you. You probably have to fill it yourself, though.

Thom, dont get caught up replying to angst ridden Amiga folks that would slam you for doing the rest of the community a favor. I have always appreciated your explanations and training and any updates will be appreciated by those that use the system.

There will always be trolls and those with troll like behavior who will slam those who offer what is seen by them as a less than perfect solution. Oh well, everyone gets an opinion I suppose.

Thank you any your teammates for all your hard work. I look forward to spending some money on the released product if it is not free.

[Acill]

Fully agree with her on this! I've learned recently in Amiga land that people can be pure jerks. The A4000 project I have going to remake boards got me a few angry emails because i didnt use eagle to do it, but i am paying to have them professionally done. Show me a professional shop using eagle over Altium or Mentor PADs.

[save2600]

Haven't read all 17 pages (seems like a lot of moaning for no reason), but am very much looking forward to an OS3.1 update! The use of larger HD's without patching this or that or using a 3rd party file system is extremely convenient and appealing to me. These days, I prefer to run my Amiga's fairly light to keep things simple, reliable and quick. Love me some 3.1.    

When I want bloat that cripples the performance of a machine, a million useless so-called "features" I'll never use, or get things done in a convoluted way, I use my modern Mac's.    

[Iggy]

Yes Thomas,
After all the noise quiets down, people will realize what you've done.
Cleaning up 3.1 is a very valid goal.

First there was all the contention over whether Hyperion had the right to do this or not, and now all these additional (non) "issues".

[utri007]

I will buy this. I woun't install it, I would copy some libs and commands over OS3.9 equalents.

[Iggy]

I will buy this. I woun't install it, I would copy some libs and commands over OS3.9 equalents.

Probably the best way to utilize the libraries for a system like yours.

[guest11527]

I will buy this. I woun't install it, I would copy some libs and commands over OS3.9 equalents.

Just note, however, that there will be no support if you do not install with the provided script, you are then on your own. In particular, a couple of components depend on each other, as provided in the distribution.

Just to give you an idea: There will be a new queue-handler, and pipe-support in the shell. Pipe-support will not work fully with other queue-handlers, for example when aborting a pipeline with ^C.

Support for the new mount-flags such as DirectSCSI will not work if you do not use the file systems that come with the distribution. For example, FAT95 from Aminet will *not* support this flag, but CrossDos will.

Hence, if there are complaints about "xyz is not working!", then the first question will be "Did you install from the disks", and if the answer is "no", then there will be slicence.

So, you are certainly welcome to install as you like, but do not expect that you get help for solving the problems this may cause. We try of course our best to avoid such problems, but it is not always possible.

[dannyp1]

I think the worry that some people will have is that they will be downgrading some components if they install 3.1.4 over 3.9. I'm sure that when the release date nears the proper way to install the upgrade will be made clear.

[Tenacious]

I think the worry that some people will have is that they will be downgrading some components if they install 3.1.4 over 3.9. I'm sure that when the release date nears the proper way to install the upgrade will be made clear.

For me, this update will be going on my modest Amigas (A500, A600, A2000), at least until I'm comfortable with it.  The A3000 (with 68060, Picasso graphics, Ethernet, etc.) will continue with OS3.9.  It does this OS well.  Now that I no longer surf on-line with Amigas, I seem to appreciate the original, less patched and hacked rigs.

At this point, the remaining faithful have acquired (rescued) all the Amigas varieties that they want, right?  Are there still people screaming the H word?  


Thank you Thomas and Olsen for your hard work.  While I still enjoy my A3000, I very much appreciate the direction you are taking this.  Your effort feels more official and sober than a "feature only" update.

[Iggy]

...Are there still people screaming the H word?  

H word? Verb, Company, or Name?

[Gulliver]

I think the worry that some people will have is that they will be downgrading some components if they install 3.1.4 over 3.9. I'm sure that when the release date nears the proper way to install the upgrade will be made clear.

I can assure you it is pretty simple to upgrade a 3.9 system with 3.1.4 components. You only need to take care of a few precautions.

[LoadWB]

I can assure you it is pretty simple to upgrade a 3.9 system with 3.1.4 components. You only need to take care of a few precautions.

I'm in.  Shut up and take my money

[Iggy]

Fully agree with her on this! I've learned recently in Amiga land that people can be pure jerks. The A4000 project I have going to remake boards got me a few angry emails because i didnt use eagle to do it, but i am paying to have them professionally done. Show me a professional shop using eagle over Altium or Mentor PADs.

I've had similar reactions to my own projects, Paul.
Eagle can't even load the files created by most big companies.
Trying to load the files Freescale/NAP provides for their evaluation boards on anything that low end is pointless, it won't work.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I'm in.  Shut up and take my money

+1  :hammer:


I guess the real world question to this will be, when you say "It doesn't include Reaction, etc." - will it take some steps to remove them from an already configured 3.9 system?  Will it overwrite the 3.9 Reaction-based tools with something (arguably) inferior?  Etc.  Guess we will have to wait and see, eh?  

[guest11527]

I guess the real world question to this will be, when you say "It doesn't include Reaction, etc." - will it take some steps to remove them from an already configured 3.9 system?

No.

Will it overwrite the 3.9 Reaction-based tools with something (arguably) inferior?  Etc.  Guess we will have to wait and see, eh?  

Yes. And Yes. Our prefs are GadTools based.

[trekiej]

Is it possible to create an OS 3.91 and let it be a replacement for OS 3.9? This could replace all the IP that is not licensed to have.