News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License

[midway]

I have thought about getting a vampire and finally did for the 600, as there is nothing comparable available. For the bigger miggies the 2 and 4000 i think keeping the tekmagic and the cs will be better for my needs. Now, winuae has been emulating fpus without noticeable problems. Including the integrated ones ie 68040 and 68060. Can the routines used for this not be implemented in the vampire core?
I am not an electronic engineer but correct me if I am totally off here

[kolla]

Of course, they're a small team focused on getting things done and updating pages and wikis takes time out of development work.

I get the impression that there are several people in the team who are more or less twiddling their thumbs or "fighting for the cause" on various forums, while the experts are busy. It should be a priority to keep the hyperbole down, but I understand it is tough when chief architect is Mr Hyperbole himself, who apparently at whim announce new features on the forum, causing confusion, expectations, hyperbole, eye rolling... in one word - ATTENTION.

[grond]

FEMU is by default in the provided Kickstart? Can it be disabled and enabled by the user?

What does this mean for AROS and EmuTOS? Would they require their own emulation implementations?

You didn't read or understand what I wrote above. Femu will become part of the core and be present from power-on/reset. This is one important advantage over 060.library and does not depend on the OS.

[kolla]

it might be that MMU attracts users outside amiga community but you miss the point that the apollo/vampire was designed for amiga users (or former amiga users) primarly

Really?

It took literally YEARS before even the word "Amiga" came up on the apollo-core site.

[kolla]

You didn't read or understand what I wrote above. Femu will become part of the core and be present from power-on/reset. This is one important advantage over 060.library and does not depend on the OS.

So it is an emulator, a piece of software running out of the reach for the operating systems, hosted by the Apollo Core.
What other pieces of software are running out of reach for the operating system?

[wawrzon]

I moan about the slow development.

you must be joking. slow development? compared to what? your favourite os4? in my book the development here is furious..

I hate it when people beg to open source stuff but here it might be kind of suitable

yeah. put everything you gathered on forums upside down and there, we have a sensible post. congrats.

[Tellurium]

@kolla
Do you realize of course that the 68000 was “microcoded”, right ? And the OS has no exposure to that. Do you realize that Intel periodically still pushes microcode updates to some of his cpus, and the OS does not directly access it?

I am not siding with the Apollo team, but I frankly miss the Amiga community of old. When we called ICs by name, knew what we were doing, complained zero and produced a lot.

Amiga OS needs apps and users, not useless quarrels

@everyone
Repeat after me: FPGA is as hardware as your Gayle and Gary chips, just not requiring a foundry to overlay connection maps via lithography masks.

And repeat again: either you code your HDL into NAND gates or MUX/LUT  blocks, it remains equivalent, except the additional complexity

So it is an emulator, a piece of software running out of the reach for the operating systems, hosted by the Apollo Core.
What other pieces of software are running out of reach for the operating system?

[soviet]

Who cares what is hidden in there, if make the CPU faster bring it on.

Look at the intel management engine ?, you are running full blown minix os inside your chip set and nobody even cared or realized it. And this on "real chips" like you guys love.

[kolla]

Look at the intel management engine ?, you are running full blown minix os inside your chip set and nobody even cared or realized it. And this on "real chips" like you guys love.

Ah, you followed the links I gave on the Amiga Facegroup page earlier today perhaps? Good

I do not love Intel chips, and I do not love proprietary management systems. At all.

[kolla]

@Tellurium

Yes, I am aware of that - it is fairly well described and documented, and what isn't, is to be picked apart by various communities. Is that what we want in Amiga land too?

Is it wrong to raise questions about what takes place in the core? All experience says that provoking questioning is the only way to get solid information.

[Tellurium]

Asking and not trusting is not a good pattern. Whatever the Apollo crew would say, could ever change your mind?

If I were in a similar position as you are now, I’d get AsmOne with its interactive mode and type small snippets to Unit test if output corresponds to what I expect. AMMX or whatever they call the extension cannot activate if you don’t ping it, so in case you don’t need it, it would be just like empty space.

It’s a general purpose execution unit in a cheap and dirty low end fpga. I Do not expect it to have an AI aware Bitcoin wallet sniffer within. And if in doubt, i’d Keep the wallet away from an Amiga and/or not buy it.

@Tellurium

Yes, I am aware of that - it is fairly well described and documented, and what isn't, is to be picked apart by various communities. Is that what we want in Amiga land too?

Is it wrong to raise questions about what takes place in the core? All experience says that provoking questioning is the only way to get solid information.

[mulder77]

Yes, kolla, right, you're not "fighting for the cause".
You've been trolling about Vampire/Apollo since you got some trouble with the guys.
Get over it.

[psxphill]

Who cares what is hidden in there, if make the CPU faster bring it on.

If it means it can't run MacOS or Nextstep?

If your answer is that has nothing to do with Amiga and you therefore don't care, then you're part of the problem.

Asking and not trusting is not a good pattern. Whatever the Apollo crew would say, could ever change your mind?

If they stopped deliberately misleading people it would be a start. If they actually delivered on 100% compatibility then I'd support them. Nothing gunnar has ever said has indicated he is interested in 100% compatibility. He's interested in his own agenda and needs enough people behind him to get him there. If it does what you want then I guess you'd be happy to be bribed.

I'm sure gunnar knows how controversial his 100% compatibility claims are, it's similar to the tactics used in the UK/US/Europe with the rise of fascism (Trump/brexit/etc).

Look at the intel management engine ?, you are running full blown minix os inside your chip set and nobody even cared or realized it. And this on "real chips" like you guys love.

You're obviously wrong, or the researchers wouldn't have taken the time to investigate it. Of course I didn't realise the secret minix os was running inside my computer, because it was secret. Even the guy who wrote minix didn't know for sure. I couldn't care about it because I didn't know. I did care that IME existed, but without credible evidence that it was exploitable then it's difficult to do anything about it.

People care now.

[kolla]

What's with all the merely curious people who've made accounts just to... not answer any questions nor bring any more information to the table?

[Iggy]

What's with all the merely curious people who've made accounts just to... not answer any questions nor bring any more information to the table?

No doubt they want to 'fight for the cause'. :hammer:

[mulder77]

Joined here 2011, no idea what you're referring to.