Amiga OS4.1 Classic on Blizzard PPC - installation freezes

[carvedeye]

Can you explain more? I really don't know how to boot this system with DVD-rom attached (on the same IDE port).

THANK YOU!

your Dvd rom drive needs to be set to slave and the CF card master but I don't know how you would do this with a CF card?

[kreciu]

your Dvd rom drive needs to be set to slave and the CF card master but I don't know how you would do this with a CF card?

I don't use CF (BTW. this adapters have a jumpers), I'm using EIDE SSD (Master) and CD-ROM as Slave, it is attached to 4xEIDE.

[HammerD]

Try reading my Blog post on hard drive setup.  You do really have to follow it to the letter, yes.  http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=210

[kreciu]

I'm reading it EXACTLY as you wrote your post . For some reason, every-time I connect DVD-rom I get "floppy animation" (BTW. How you call this initial screen in English?). Beside this OS4.1 works quite well I have to say. I have the same issue with 4xEide or FastATA.

[kreciu]

@HammerD Can you tell me what it is "Drive Initialization code"?

[kreciu]

So, I did exactly (including block size..., saving file system in RDB - I did that already few times...) as in your blog and after finished installation Amiga will not boot from HDD, only screen with floppy drive.

HDD (partitions) are not visible in early boot menu.

I'm using 4xEide to install OS4.1.

BTW. When I install OS3.9 system WILL book perfectly fine. I'm actually thinking of making dual boot and see how this will work.

[rvo_nl]

So, I did exactly (including block size..., saving file system in RDB - I did that already few times...) as in your blog and after finished installation Amiga will not boot from HDD, only screen with floppy drive.

HDD (partitions) are not visible in early boot menu.

I'm using 4xEide to install OS4.1.

BTW. When I install OS3.9 system WILL book perfectly fine. I'm actually thinking of making dual boot and see how this will work.

I can recommend going for a dual boot set up, or even triple. I have a first small partition with plain WB3.1 that I can use to boot into 3.9 or 4.x. It loads the IDEFix mounting commands so those partitions can live outside the first 4Gb.

[Acill]

I'm telling you, if you want to use 4.1 just sell that machine and get an X5000! It boots classic apps faster than my real 4000T does. Get a stock 1200 if you want to have a classic machine still.

[kreciu]

SOLUTION: I used on of "cooked/updated" ROMS chips, works from cold boot zero issues. Computer boots, with DVD-rom.

BTW. Hyperion time to update ROM chips in Amiga's. After this "experience" I think AmigaOS4.1 should be delivered with UPDATED ROM chips, as long time ago. New system, new ROM chips.

[HammerD]

So, I did exactly (including block size..., saving file system in RDB - I did that already few times...) as in your blog and after finished installation Amiga will not boot from HDD, only screen with floppy drive.

HDD (partitions) are not visible in early boot menu.

I'm using 4xEide to install OS4.1.

BTW. When I install OS3.9 system WILL book perfectly fine. I'm actually thinking of making dual boot and see how this will work.

If you cannot see the OS4 partitions in early boot menu it means the filesystem is not installed into the RDB.  I don't know if you are using FFS or SFS (I'd recommend SFS) but you need at least one of those from the L: directory on the OS4.1 CDROM.  Here is the relevent section from my blog post:

Adding a file system into the Rigid Disk Block (RDB)

On the “Editing partitions…” screen, select “Add, Remove, or edit filesystems”.

Click on “Add new FS”

Browse to the L: directory (of the Installation Disc) and choose either SmartFileSystem or FastFileSystem.  Let’s pick SmartFileSystem for this example.  After you pick SmartFileSystem from the ASL requestor, you will be presented with a “Filesystem edit” screen.

It is very important in this screen to type the correct DOSType for your file system! This is one of the most common “gotchas” for setting up your hard disk.   For SmartFileSystem we have to change the “DosType” field from the default of 444f5303 to 53465300.  Once you do that, press enter, and you will see the name become SFS \ 00, which is the proper identifier for SmartFileSystem.



The above picture shows the proper settings for SmartFileSystem.  Note the DosType.

After you have selected the File system, changed the DosType, you can click “OK – Accept Changes”.  The hard part is now done!  The file system has been placed inside the RDB.

[HammerD]

SOLUTION: I used on of "cooked/updated" ROMS chips, works from cold boot zero issues. Computer boots, with DVD-rom.

BTW. Hyperion time to update ROM chips in Amiga's. After this "experience" I think AmigaOS4.1 should be delivered with UPDATED ROM chips, as long time ago. New system, new ROM chips.

Probably the file system is included in these updated roms...anyway, good you got it working!

[kreciu]

Thank you for help, but I really followed you blog manual and it doesn't work.

With updated ROMs it works but FastATA will not work (pink screen forever) and I don't think I will use it in this case (0.9Mb/s HDD transfer...). System works (including Update 1), but it is way slower then OS3.9. Additionally, no USB support, ancient LAN card support etc. etc. Technically all software I would use runs great under OS3.9, so if there is no solution to run AmigaOS4.1 with FastATA (that is listed as compatibile!) I'm going to use it AmigaOS4.1 on my... PC.

[kreciu]

Thank you for help, but I really followed you blog manual and it doesn't work. In attachment you can see that files system is "loaded". Do you see anything wrong with it?

With updated ROMs it works but FastATA will not work (pink screen forever) and I don't think I will use it in this case (0.9Mb/s HDD transfer...). System works (including Update 1), but it is way slower then OS3.9. Additionally, no USB support, ancient LAN card support etc. etc. Technically all software I would use runs great under OS3.9, so if there is no solution to run AmigaOS4.1 with FastATA (that is listed as compatibile!) I'm going to use it AmigaOS4.1 on my... PC. AmigaOS4.1 it is really mixed feelings, it works fine, looks great... but at the same time it is terrible with all this limitations!?

[HammerD]

Thank you for help, but I really followed you blog manual and it doesn't work. In attachment you can see that files system is "loaded". Do you see anything wrong with it?

With updated ROMs it works but FastATA will not work (pink screen forever) and I don't think I will use it in this case (0.9Mb/s HDD transfer...). System works (including Update 1), but it is way slower then OS3.9. Additionally, no USB support, ancient LAN card support etc. etc. Technically all software I would use runs great under OS3.9, so if there is no solution to run AmigaOS4.1 with FastATA (that is listed as compatibile!) I'm going to use it AmigaOS4.1 on my... PC. AmigaOS4.1 it is really mixed feelings, it works fine, looks great... but at the same time it is terrible with all this limitations!?

That looks OK to me.  Are you using a compact flash card or a real hard drive? I had lots of problems with CF cards.  Just curious.

I personally never owned an A1200 with FastATA, so I can't really be of much further help. I suggest you post on the Hyperion Forums.  There were other testers that did have A1200's and FastATAs.

As for the speed or compatibility or limitations of OS 4.1 Classic, I can't really speak to that, I was only a tester. My *personal* opinion is that I think Hyperion did the best they could with the (limited) resources available to them.  Trust me they tried, and tried for a long time.  It was very difficult to find developers who were willing to code OS4 for the Classic platform and also had the level of knowledge required (kernel/driver level knowledge).  You could probably count the number of people still around even with the knowledge on one hand.  There was a small number of dedicated testers driving it forward and spending hundreds of hours testing things (as you know it takes lots of time and patience on the classic platform) and obviously lots of painstaking work by a small number of developers.  

I think the Classic version, in the latest "Final Edition" incarnation, is pretty good.  The best you can expect on such old and slow hardware.  Hyperion could have chosen to stop bothering to make the latest OS 4.1 versions still compatible with Classic, but they didn't and they haven't.  That says a lot.  

Remember MorphOS stopped at (I think) version 1.4 on the classic platform and they never released updated versions.  So for a PPC AmigaOS on the Classic it is the best there is.  It would be best to try to run the newer OS4 apps and not OS 3.x apps who's development has long since stopped.  OS4 apps will tend to run better as long as they are not too cpu, graphic, or memory intensive.  

I haven't been able to do much lately on OS4, I've got a family now with 2 young kids who take up the vast majority of my free time (or what's left of it) and money (so I've sold much of my prized Classic collection).  I still have an A4000 but only with a Sonnet.  Been playing with that under OS 3.9 and it's very fast for most WarpUP programs!  I don't have any CS PPC's anymore.  If that new phase5 digital company is not a hoax and releases new CS PPC's, I may buy one.  We will see but I do not count on it.  I'm also eyeing a Vampire V4 for my A2000.  I do still have an X1000 though.

Darren

[kreciu]

@HammerD I'm using PATA SSD.

Again thank you for help!

[kreciu]

So, I was NOT able to make dual boot (for whatever reason, and at this point I don't care...), AOS4.1 will always boot (boot priorities were there etc. etc. etc. no joy). I will be switching CF card .

I used FastATAII (instead of FastATAV) (II is not supported under AOS4.1 and that is GOOD at least for me ) + CF cards but I can actually use it to get HDD/DVD-rom and under OS3.9 FastATAII actually works as it should and AOS4.1 will actually SEE DVD-rom and boot when it is attached! . Still without "new rom" it would not boot.

There is something specific, maybe it is my motherboard but it will not happen with OS3.9 and AOS4.1 is supper sensitive about it.

I really wish I could use my FastATA under AOS4.1 (since it is listed as "compatible"). Reading Hyperion forum, there is tons of people that have issues similar to mine.

Beside this Update 1 and Enhancer 1.3 installed . I have to say that it works quite well (but it has this feel of "beta" version, definitely not "FINAL"), however OS3.9 feel WAY more refined, smooth, fast etc. etc. 060 + PPC really make OS3.9 fly.

There is some issue with "stutter" (especially after installing Enhancer 1.3 e.g. someone set up new clock with "high antialiasing" that literally was killing my Amiga, when it is OFF works great! - someone should TEST this before and Enhancer 1.3 Classics should be configured for... Classics. After this there is less... stutter.

Now, I need to put all this stuff back into my case...