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Offline David WrightTopic starter

Soldering tools
« on: October 05, 2017, 08:16:22 PM »
Any recommendations on a start up set for a newbie?
Soldering, desoldering pump, basic components, meters?
 

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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2017, 09:31:10 PM »
Solder advice including what iron to get avoid, solder to get avoid, I found EEVBlog helpful https://www.youtube.com/user/EEVblog  also good for meters and lots more.

Check out this desolding pump  https://youtu.be/wvb0BOwH4DU

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Some things to look at (UK Amazon but im sure you can find on US)

Soldering Station: http://amzn.eu/cmM5wge
Meter: http://amzn.eu/9sBXyYd
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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2017, 09:31:36 PM »
Quote from: David Wright;831345
Any recommendations on a start up set for a newbie?
Soldering, desoldering pump, basic components, meters?


Good quality stuff? If you avoid the a questionable quality Chinese crap on eBay, you can still find basic Weller soldering stations fairly cheap.
Remember you don't really want to pump at lot of heat into what you are working on, so you don't need too much wattage (although what is right is a matter of taste).
I like adjustable soldering iron, since all the old high lead solders melt really easy, while the newer stuff is a bitch.

And I'm not sure I've ever been satisfied with the desoldering pumps I've bought.
Anyone want to weigh in on that? I'd like a recommendation myself.
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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2017, 11:56:13 PM »
Have a look at Hakko. They have some nice units. I bought an FX-888D for basic all around work instead of a Weller and it has performed flawlessly for over a year. All I did was replace the default tip with a smaller diameter one for what I am doing. I don't use a pump, only braid, but only occasionally.
 

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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2017, 12:06:21 PM »
I was going to say Hakko 888 also.  Wellers used to be good quality but it appears when they were bought out a few years back they quit making the tips in the US and outsourced them so they have dropped in quality.

I spent a little more for the Hakko 951
 

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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2017, 03:43:41 PM »
Wow, where to start?

Heat adjustable iron - the low-end Hakko is pretty competent.

Desoldering braid/wick.
Liquid or gel flux.
Good quality solder, both leaded and lead-free.
Panavise or other work-holding jig.
Bench lighting.
Optivisor magnifiers.
Clip style heat-sinks - great for keeping wires from melting...
Good multimeter - find a re-calibrated, used Fluke if you can. an 87 V is truly an amazing meter and endlessly useful.
Cheapo rework station - look for the X-Tronics 4000 series on eBay. Surprisingly good quality and endlessly useful.

That's just off the top of my head. What are you working on?
 

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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2017, 04:18:44 PM »
Thanks for all the tips, I am moving forward guided by recommendations here.
The fear here is that I may be quite dangerous especially to Amigas.

I want to start simple, a power light on my 1200 doesn't work except when applying some pressure. Seems even to me a simple resolder.

The others, not sure. I have three Amiga monitors 1084 and 1942. Two have off colored displays which goes away when pushing on cable in back.
Seems like another resolder doesn't it? of course I know there are dangers with opening these without discharging. I need to learn and not the hard way.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2017, 04:23:13 PM by David Wright »
 

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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2017, 04:20:14 PM »
I have this soldering station, works very well:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Latest-2in1-SMD-Soldering-Rework-Station-Hot-Air-Iron-852D-5Tips-OK-/272873200372?hash=item3f88829af4:g:AEEAAOSwM7JZ1ES2

To desolder the through components I'm using Radio Shack 60-2060B tool.
https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-45-watt-desoldering-iron
This thing is great! Try to find similar tool, because you probably can not find this one anymore.
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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2017, 04:53:28 PM »
You won't need lead free solder for Amiga stuff. And it doesn't work well mixed so if your going to do lead free you need to buy the solder and a second set of tips and cleaner to go with it.  don't make that investment up front, wait until you have something leadfree to work on.
 

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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2017, 05:47:02 PM »
Quote from: David Wright;831379
The others, not sure. I have three Amiga monitors 1084 and 1942. Two have off colored displays which goes away when pushing on cable in back.
Seems like another resolder doesn't it? of course I know there are dangers with opening these without discharging. I need to learn and not the hard way.


True story. I was modifying a 1084 back in the day when they were new - I was putting a touch-screen overlay on it. It involved some internal surgery, mostly to put a secondary power supply inside for the overlay.

So, I'm sitting at my kitchen table, and I reach over the open monitor to grab a tool. And my bare arm touches the tops of some of the big cap cans.

The jolt caused my arm to swing back so violently that it lifted me out of the chair and back. I woke up looking up at the ceiling, and counted myself very, very lucky.

So yes, learn from my experience.
 

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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2017, 06:46:17 PM »
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True story. I was modifying a 1084 back in the day when they were new - I was putting a touch-screen overlay on it. It involved some internal surgery, mostly to put a secondary power supply inside for the overlay.

So, I'm sitting at my kitchen table, and I reach over the open monitor to grab a tool. And my bare arm touches the tops of some of the big cap cans.

The jolt caused my arm to swing back so violently that it lifted me out of the chair and back. I woke up looking up at the ceiling, and counted myself very, very lucky.

So yes, learn from my experience.

I was thinking stamp collecting is a nice hobby.
 

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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2017, 11:53:50 PM »
I use a soldering station from ERSA. They provide good quality for still reasonable price.
Probably not so common in the US as it is in Germany.
For soldering tin I have good experince with products from Stannol, both with lead and lead free.
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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2017, 02:08:16 AM »
Quote from: hirschma;831382
True story. I was modifying a 1084 back in the day when they were new - I was putting a touch-screen overlay on it. It involved some internal surgery, mostly to put a secondary power supply inside for the overlay.

So, I'm sitting at my kitchen table, and I reach over the open monitor to grab a tool. And my bare arm touches the tops of some of the big cap cans.

The jolt caused my arm to swing back so violently that it lifted me out of the chair and back. I woke up looking up at the ceiling, and counted myself very, very lucky.

So yes, learn from my experience.

Hmm, I had something similar happen once with the starter capacitor of a florescent  light ballast. Sucks doesn't it? Hard to believe that crap holds a charge that long.
Stings a mite. I understand under the wrong circumstances it can kill you.
Laid me out and left my arm tingling, and I've been able to pull active Taser leads out of my chest without dropping.

So, word of warning, be careful even if it's unplugged.

Oh, and on mixing solders, it's funny, that is how I've made it easier to remove some lead free mounted components in the past.
Now that I need a new iron, I'll have to look at the items you guys mentioned.

And I like solder braid too (except when it sticks to something,and it's a PITA to use it on through holes).
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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2017, 02:15:10 AM »
Quote from: David Wright;831345
Any recommendations on a start up set for a newbie?
Soldering, desoldering pump, basic components, meters?

I use a Weller soldering station.. I only use Weller and have been using them for 20+ years with out fail.

Model # is WES51

https://youtu.be/idqV8RmiPQc

That is me
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Re: Soldering tools
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2017, 02:30:46 AM »
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I use a Weller soldering station.. I only use Weller and have been using them for 20+ years with out fail.

Model # is WES51

https://youtu.be/idqV8RmiPQc

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That was my recommendation too, but then I haven't had to replace it for years so I don't know if what these guys are saying about declining quality is true or not.

Then again, there something to be said for the longevity I have gotten out of past equipment.
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