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Offline Pat the Cat

Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2017, 04:08:52 PM »
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Outlawing specific weapons just forces people to choose alternatives, and prevents self defense.

Arguable. I think the real answer is to remove the motive for violence.

Anyway, an even better movie, although extremely violent (no guns) is the New Zealand classic Once Were Warriors.

At least body armour is street legal in the UK, up to level IIIA. Which means toys like this are technically OK, although I doubt a policeman would agree.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/sas-soldiers-trial-star-warsstyle-bulletproof-helmets-with-heatseeking-technology/news-story/b89ac0e94ac52ef8a380331b8b7da3b5
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2017, 12:54:01 AM »
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Arguable. I think the real answer is to remove the motive for violence.


Some would suggest that aggression and violence are hard wired into us, and have provided part of our drive and motivation to succeed.
Observing the behavior of other mammals, I am not sure that isn't a valid argument.
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2017, 03:57:33 PM »
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Some would suggest that aggression and violence are hard wired into us, and have provided part of our drive and motivation to succeed.
Observing the behavior of other mammals, I am not sure that isn't a valid argument.

Sheep? Cows? Rabbits? Herbivores are usually non-violent. OK, the males will fight each other for mating rights, but it's not to the death.
 
 Not sure about the primates - some can be cannibals like chimpanzees. I think orang-utans are an example of a largely peaceful primate?
 
 Perhaps males will simply be made extinct, but there are examples of female human serial killers, so I'm of the opinion that violent behaviour isn't based on sex or species.
 
 Maybe tendency to violence is partly based on habit. Bad habits die out because the individuals that practice them die out. Good habits get maintained.
 
 Addictive habits are very hard to break, but not impossible.
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2017, 04:26:03 PM »
What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2017, 04:51:12 PM »
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What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:


Oh... Right, the bridgeboard.

I have an A2286 bridgeboard that needs a home, but shipping out of Australia will likely cost you an arm, leg and testicle.
 

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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2017, 05:14:33 PM »
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Sheep? Cows? Rabbits? Herbivores are usually non-violent. OK, the males will fight each other for mating rights, but it's not to the death.
 
 Not sure about the primates - some can be cannibals like chimpanzees. I think orang-utans are an example of a largely peaceful primate?
 
 Perhaps males will simply be made extinct, but there are examples of female human serial killers, so I'm of the opinion that violent behaviour isn't based on sex or species.
 
 Maybe tendency to violence is partly based on habit. Bad habits die out because the individuals that practice them die out. Good habits get maintained.
 
 Addictive habits are very hard to break, but not impossible.

Orangutans? No they abuse each other too.

Elephants, rhinos, hippos...all herbivores and all potentially quite dangerous, and not because you are in competition for potential mates.
And male rabbits kill baby rabbits in order to encourage the females to go back into heat.
Violence as a habit? Possibly violence as part of a bad decision chain, but habituation? I'm not letting violent people off by using that excuse (it was my upbringing, its society's fault, I have issues...etc).

And extinction? That is probably inevitable, we've been predicting our immanent demise for most of recorded history.

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What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:

Nothing what so ever Mike.

BTW - Why does anyone WANT a bridgeboard?

The cpus used in them top out at a very low performance point.
And the software that is compatible with them is, at best, primitive.

There aren't even any really decent accelerated video cards for the ISA bus.

And its not like software running on a bridgeboard is incorporated into the Amiga environment.
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2017, 05:35:15 PM »
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BTW - Why does anyone WANT a bridgeboard?

I don't know man, I don't know.  Although I still kind of want one of those "PowerPC" boards for the A500 trap door.  No use for it, and no time, really, but always thought they were pretty cool back in the day.  Nostalgia, I guess?  Or maybe file transfer with old PC's?  People do have their reasons, just ask that guy who had the thread with like 500 comments on it about bridgeboards.  ;)

In one of the other forums I participate in (a forum for Chevy trucks) a guy recently gave me grief because I took apart my dashboard to add some USB ports.  He was all like "Why not just use one of those little cigarette lighter adapters to add USB plugs?" -- Well, maybe because I didn't want to, bud.  Why does anybody do anything?  Why not just drive around stock vehicles like they came from the factory, or use bone-stock, unmodified Amiga's like god and Commodore intended, right?  :laughing:
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2017, 05:50:20 PM »
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In one of the other forums I participate in (a forum for Chevy trucks) a guy recently gave me grief because I took apart my dashboard to add some USB ports.  He was all like "Why not just use one of those little cigarette lighter adapters to add USB plugs?" -- Well, maybe because I didn't want to, bud.  Why does anybody do anything?  Why not just drive around stock vehicles like they came from the factory, or use bone-stock, unmodified Amiga's like god and Commodore intended, right?  :laughing:


A-f'n-men.  Why do we climb the mountain?  Because it's there.  If you don't get it then move on.

I have a bridge board that I've been dying to try out.  Only an 8088 but I'd like to see what it can do, in particular in light of the new demos coming along for the old chip.  A long time ago I had a lead on a 486 bridge board (386 with upgrade,) sent off my money and never got it.  I believe I was one of several suckers on that deal.
 

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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2017, 09:32:33 PM »
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A-f'n-men.  Why do we climb the mountain?  Because it's there.  If you don't get it then move on.

I have a bridge board that I've been dying to try out.  Only an 8088 but I'd like to see what it can do, in particular in light of the new demos coming along for the old chip.  A long time ago I had a lead on a 486 bridge board (386 with upgrade,) sent off my money and never got it.  I believe I was one of several suckers on that deal.


Yeah, I don't get the mountaineering thing either...

"We risk our lives 'cause its f'ing there..."?

And NEVER send money directly to anyone dude, that's dumb.
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2017, 10:04:50 PM »
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And NEVER send money directly to anyone dude, that's dumb.


I was young with more money than cynicism and caution.  Experience is the best teacher, yeah?
 

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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2017, 10:39:59 PM »
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I was young with more money than cynicism and caution.  Experience is the best teacher, yeah?

I'm still waiting for my AmigaOS 4 t-shirt.  :lol:
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2017, 11:17:15 PM »
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I don't know man, I don't know.  Although I still kind of want one of those "PowerPC" boards for the A500 trap door.  No use for it, and no time, really, but always thought they were pretty cool back in the day.  Nostalgia, I guess?  Or maybe file transfer with old PC's?  People do have their reasons, just ask that guy who had the thread with like 500 comments on it about bridgeboards.  ;)
 


Those have been coming up pretty frequently on AmiBay. Pretty much every month or so but of course not as often as more common stuff. Just a couple days ago two were listed but were snapped up pretty quickly. There's been some of the "plus" models as well. I keep wanting to get another of the little PC emulators that plugs into the external GVP box for the 500.
 

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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2017, 12:03:18 AM »
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I was young with more money than cynicism and caution.  Experience is the best teacher, yeah?


Don't feel so bad, I learned the hard way myself.
And I still occasionally have direct transactions with some Amiga users.

The climbing mountains for fun thing?
That's still kinda stupid.
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2017, 01:53:47 AM »
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I'm still waiting for my AmigaOS 4 t-shirt.  :lol:


@Mike,

Can you believe that I finally got mine? To this day I have never worn that t-shirt lol :D
 

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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2017, 02:25:20 PM »
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Orangutans? No they abuse each other too.

Elephants, rhinos, hippos...all herbivores and all potentially quite dangerous, and not because you are in competition for potential mates.
And male rabbits kill baby rabbits in order to encourage the females to go back into heat.
Violence as a habit? Possibly violence as part of a bad decision chain, but habituation? I'm not letting violent people off by using that excuse (it was my upbringing, its society's fault, I have issues...etc).

And extinction? That is probably inevitable, we've been predicting our immanent demise for most of recorded history.
 
 To answer those points, my original point was that removing the motive for violence would remove the trigger that produces it.
 
 E=MC square. Matter is highly reasonating energy, and when it becomes possible to technologically able to turn waste material like your own poop directly into whatever you want, then the motive for violence disappears. Likewise, the motives for capitalism, banks, corporations and similar hierarchical oddities of the human race.
 
 That involves manipulation of quantum material well below the atomic or molecular levels. Reproducing living organisms would also involve pre-loading their experience ("memories") into the organism, so it's even more technologically challenging.
 
 
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What does any of this have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:
 
 Because at that point in time Mike, people would actually be able to download the information copy in order to produce their own Bridgeboards, Amigas, etc etc etc.
 
 Places like Amibay would become entirely pointless. The real currency would be the downloadable information to construct worthwhile items.
 
 
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I'm still waiting for my AmigaOS 4 t-shirt. :lol:

 What does that have to do with "WTB bridgeboard"? :angry:

 See, you derail threads too. I could actually go through your entire online posting history and show copious examples of your behaviour, but I've actually got better things to do than patronize, belittle and bully you for no reason apart from jealousy.
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Re: WTB: Bridgeboard
« Reply #29 from previous page: August 12, 2017, 02:26:40 PM »
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I have an A2286 bridgeboard that needs a home, but shipping out of Australia will likely cost you an arm, leg and testicle.

I take it the old school teacher who retired shafted you on the A2000? I did say, get the agreement in writing.
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