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Offline magnetic

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2017, 04:12:14 AM »
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wish you had asked curtis, i have loads of 256x4 dip ram chips(i think rev 6 uses those?)


Hey mechy do you have DIP chips for a commodore a2058 board?
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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2017, 11:16:50 PM »
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My symptoms are a black screen and 10 short blinks and 1 long blink on the power LED.




I'd second the suggestions from BLTCON0, it doesn't sound like a typical memory access problem.


@mechy - yes, the rev6 board uses the 4x256k DRAMs, it's the rev4 board that uses the 1x256k.  The many you've supplied me in the past have all been great thanks.


@curtis - before ripping out all the existing DRAMs (and possibly causing more problems in the process), you might like to make a few more diagnostics.  For a start check if the system if even getting as far as the memory test.  An easy way to tell is use an oscilloscope to see if the memory write enable line (pin 3 on any of the DRAMs) is strobing low.  As I recall, you'll see at least two low-going strobes at about 1µSec duration.  If it's not doing this, you're certainly not going to get anywhere by replacing the DRAMs.

John H's DiagROM is particularly useful at this point.  If you don't see any serial data out immediately at power on, you've got some other low-level problem going on.

As others have said, if there's been battery corrosion in the past, it's common to get corrosion in/around pin 1 of the 68000 CPU socket which often causes the machine to do nothing at power on, or give you some nondescript error.  Cleaning it rarely results in it becoming usable unless the corrosion is very minor.  If any of the socket contacts appear green/blue or tarnished/dark grey in colour (should be bright silver) then the entire CPU socket need to be replaced.
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2017, 05:48:50 PM »
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Hey mechy do you have DIP chips for a commodore a2058 board?

I only have 256x4 and 1mx4...i think the 2058 uses 1mx1? and i don't have any.
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2017, 06:32:24 PM »
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Finally got my 2000 back on the workbench and now it won't boot.

My symptoms are a black screen and 10 short blinks and 1 long blink on the power LED.

I've swapped out both the cpu and the ROM for known goods and no joy.

Checked voltages on the power supply and they're good.

I've got an Indivision installed and I don't even get the "splash" screen from it.

Suggestions?

Oh, it's a rev 6.2 motherboard.

Right now there are no boards installed at all.  It's basically bare metal with only a floppy drive.

Curtis, check agnus, make sure its the right one and make sure all motherboard jumpers set right. check for cracked socket and bad socket pins.

has the psu lost TICK signal?
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2017, 11:25:05 PM »
Wish I had an o'scope to do some of the testing mentioned above, but I don't.

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2017, 06:31:22 AM »
Like mechy suggested it might be problem with TICK signal at PSU. Try setting jumper J200 to internal TICK.
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2017, 09:05:18 PM »
So far as I can find out the 10 blinks of the power light is Kickstart 3.x thing. Have you got KS3.x installed?

Apparently it's to give you a chance to get a debug dump from the serial port.

I don't therefore think the number of blinks on the power light really means anything here.

I've also found an indication that a black screen means no CPU detected. I didn't find anything pointing to RAM.

edit to add:

You may find this link useful. Seems to suggest the black screen could also be CIA chip related.

http://www.lemonamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13978
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 09:12:25 PM by ajlwalker »
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2017, 09:10:48 PM »
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So far as I can find out the 10 blinks of the power light is Kickstart 3.x thing. Have you got KS3.x installed?

Apparently it's to give you a chance to get a debug dump from the serial port.

I don't therefore think the number of blinks on the power light really means anything here.

I've also found an indication that a black screen means no CPU detected. I didn't find anything pointing to RAM.


Debug dump from serial port, really? What speed and other settings should one use to get that from an A2000 with ROM 3.1?
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2017, 09:17:48 PM »
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Debug dump from serial port, really? What speed and other settings should one use to get that from an A2000 with ROM 3.1?


9600 baud, 8bits, no parity. Press delete on the remote terminal to invoke the ROM debugger.
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2017, 09:40:21 PM »
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9600 baud, 8bits, no parity. Press delete on the remote terminal to invoke the ROM debugger.


Cool. Is this available from 3.0 or 3.1?
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2017, 09:47:42 PM »
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Cool. Is this available from 3.0 or 3.1?


I think it is 3.0 as this link seems to suggest v39 which I think was 3.0:

http://amigadev.elowar.com/read/ADCD_2.1/Includes_and_Autodocs_3._guide/node01E3.html

Look near the bottom.
 

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2017, 03:23:21 PM »
Tried the J200 switch.  No change.
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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2017, 03:57:04 PM »
Have you tried it COMPLETELY bare bones?  No Indivision and no floppy.. just the PSU, motherboard and video output (B&W composite if you don't have compatible monitor)?
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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2017, 04:22:28 PM »
Could it be that the crystal driving the processor is not connected properly or defective?
 
 Long shot, but if you have a scope to check the crystal outputs / tick signal, and it isn't giving Mr CPU any timing signals, that might explain why the Amiga thinks it doesn't have a processor?
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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2017, 01:52:31 AM »
That's the way I test.  Always.

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Re: Dead 2000
« Reply #29 from previous page: August 11, 2017, 01:53:05 AM »
Don't have an o'scope.

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Could it be that the crystal driving the processor is not connected properly or defective?
 
 Long shot, but if you have a scope to check the crystal outputs / tick signal, and it isn't giving Mr CPU any timing signals, that might explain why the Amiga thinks it doesn't have a processor?
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