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Offline Matt_H

"Lost" PD libraries
« on: August 01, 2017, 12:39:45 AM »
In browsing through a small collection of disks that I acquired from a former Amigan, I noticed a handful of disks from a collection called "PD Software Digest." It's old 1.x-era stuff - the disks range from 1987 to 1989 - and at a quick glance none of the programs are on Aminet. The only other references I can find to this library are someone selling a few disks a couple of years ago, and some OCR'd text from an advertisement in Amiga World magazine (I guess this technically makes it a diskmag rather than a PD library, but that's beside the point).

It got me thinking about other old PD libraries that are not generally known to the internet. Apart from the Fish collection, most (all?) of the currently archived libraries originate from Europe. There's a big missing gap in terms of what American non-commercial developers were producing in the early years. In addition to the Fish disks, I remember disks from a few other PD libraries kicking around when I was growing up.

While there's little practical value to the software (unless someone is running a 1.3 productivity system for giggles), it would be good to get more of this archived and preserved. It's an important part of Amiga history. I've made ADFs of the Software Digest in the meantime. Will see about getting them up on Aminet.
 

Offline scuzzb494

Re: "Lost" PD libraries
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 02:11:23 AM »
I have literally thousands of disks and when I come across PD disks in my collection I generally ADFBlitz them and stick them on ZIPS and transfer to PCs and other computers. The master library is on the A4000d. Thing is with disk numbers for any PDHouse ranging in the 1000s and then the subcatagories of Utils, Games, Demos, Amags etc you can sense that the amount of disks in circulation are tens and tens of thousands. I have long given up trying to obtain PD disks. The best you can ever do is take a snapshot of a PD. I try to get the catalogue disks.

This is a typical snapshot from one of my disk boxes. The number on the left is my actual disk number.....


Disk Box L19: Shelf 1: Top Shelf: Middle Right

2148: THE DISK Issue 1 ZeroVirus QMouse AlarmingClock Scenery ScreenHacks
2149: THE DISK Issue 2 PowerPacker SuperEcho Music IconMaker Textra
2150: THE DISK Issue 3 RattleCopy PPAnim NoClick 3.6 New Fonts
2151: THE DISK Issue 4 Typing Tutor StepRate Tron 90 OctaMED demo tune

2152: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 102 Music Utilities
2153: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 103 Digital Concert
2154: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 229a R.A.F. Megademo
2155: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 229b R.A.F. Megademo
2156: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 230a Red Sector Megademo
2157: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 230b Red Sector Megademo
2158: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 308 Nightbreed Slides
2159: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 314 Real 3D
2160: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 412 Education of Cool Cougar
2161: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 502 Wordprocessor

2162: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 120 BatDance Remix
2163: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 206 Demo Compilation
2164: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 402 Fraxion Horror Show
2165: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 107 Magnetic Beats 3
2166: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 111 Rave
2167: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 119A Derek & Clive
2168: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 119B Derek & Clive
2169: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 214 Silents Megademo
2170: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 218A Silents Fantasy
2171: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 218B Silents Fantasy
2172: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 222A Budbrain Megademo

2173: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 222B Budbrain Megademo
2174: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 233A Policeman's Ball
2175: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 233B Policeman's Ball
2176: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 304 Mandel Mountains
2177: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 307 Luxo Teenager
2178: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 505 Ghostwriter
2179: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 510 E.S.A. Utilities
2180: PD Lorenzo's Domain Disk No 701 Drip Game
2181: PD Virus Free PD Disk 32 Music SW
2182: PD Virus Free PD Disk CAT
2183: PD Virus Free PD Disk 31 SpaceWriter [ space writer ]

2184: PD Virus Free PD Disk 37 Intros
2185: PD Virus Free PD Disk 199 Michael Jackson BAD
2186: PD Virus Free PD Disk 337 Mega Utils [ utilities ]
2187: PD Virus Free PD Disk 342 Ace Utils [ assassins ]
2188: PD Virus Free PD Disk 429 Animations
2189: PD Virus Free PD Disk 573 Busy Bee Anim
2190: PD Virus Free PD Disk 597 Party Pack 2
2191: PD Virus Free PD Disk 607 Digital Dreams
2192: PD Virus Free PD Disk 638 LoonMations
2193: PD Virus Free PD Disk 659 Utils
2194: PD Virus Free PD Disk 700 Donald Duck
2195: PD Virus Free PD Disk 791 Intuition MegaDemo
2196: PD Virus Free PD Disk 872 Horror Pics
2197: PD Virus Free PD Disk 882 Fillet o Fish
2198: PD Virus Free PD Disk 914 Stealthy II

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2199: PD A.P.E. Relokick 1.4
2200: PD A.P.E. Magic W/B V2 [ Magic Workbench ]
2201: PD A.P.E. Magic WB Extras 12 Disk 1 of 2 [ Magic Workbench ]
2202: PD A.P.E. Magic WB Extras 12 Disk 2 of 2 [ Magic Workbench ]
2203: PD A.P.E. A1200 Final Test
2204: PD A.P.E. AIBB v6.5
2205: PD A.P.E. StarTrek Backdrops Disk 1 of 2 [ Star Trek ]
2206: PD A.P.E. StarTrek Backdrops Disk 2 of 2 [ Star Trek ]
2207: PD Siren Software NComm for the Amiga
2208: Gremlin Utopia Disk 2 Scenario Disk
2209: PD KT's PD Disk MD038 SOTA ( Spaceballs )

2210: PD Amiga SOFTWARE EPU5-2 Disk 1
2211: PD Amiga SOFTWARE EPU5-2 Disk 2
2212: PD Amiga SOFTWARE GFC 52 Disk 1
2213: PD Amiga SOFTWARE GFC 52 Disk 2
2214: PD Amiga SOFTWARE HDT 52 Disk 1
2215: PD Amiga SOFTWARE HDT 52 Disk 2
2216: PD Amiga SOFTWARE GRL Disk 1
2217: PD Amiga SOFTWARE GRL Disk 2
2218: PD Amiga SOFTWARE GRL Disk 3
2219: PD Central Licenceware Register CLU 7 Philo

2220: PD Central Licenceware Register CLU 16 X Stitch Master Lite
2221: PD Central Licenceware Register CLE 03A
2222: PD Central Licenceware Register CLE 03B
2223: PD Central Licenceware Register CLU 2 Fish Finder
2224: PD Central Licenceware Register CLE 8 Night Sky
2225: PD Softville PD Services Sof2451
2226: PD Softville PD Services Sof2452
2227: PD Softville PD Services Sof2461
2228: PD Softville PD Services Sof2452
2229: PD Softville PD Services ff90
2230: PD Softville PD Services APDC7

2231: PD Blitterchips Disk APD36
2232: PD Blitterchips Disk APD373 1.36 Compiler Update
2233: PD Blitterchips Disk PU425 Magic Workbench [ MagicWB ]
2234: PD Blitterchips Disk PU426 LockPick 2
2231: PD Blitterchips Disk F909 EasyClac 2 Full Version III

2232: PD Advantage Golden Axe
2233: PD Advantage First Samuri Disk 1/2
2234: PD Advantage First Samuri Disk 2/2
2235: PD Advantage Lotus Turbo Espirt
2236: PD Advantage Amiga Classics Disk 1
2237: PD Advantage Amiga Classics Disk 2
2238: PD Advantage Amiga Classics Disk 3
2239: PD Advantage Wolf Child 1/2
2240: PD Advantage Wolf Child 2/2
2241: CopyDisk Version 1.5+ [ copy ]
2242: SCSI Tools v2.2 [ copy ]

As I say just a taste....

I have the disks all over the place to be honest and a table full of them. I am gradually going through all the disks and cataloguing them but it is a long task. I do play some of the disks and they are all copied.

Shame someone didn't try to salvage a whole PD House worth of disks. I often reflect on the fact that they probably just binned the whole collections. So sad that. I have collected boxes of disks that you can tell were stored in old sheds. Still worked though.

Great idea I have to say trying to create a central library somewhere. And you are correct much of what is on these disks is not on Aminet.

Offline Amiwest

Re: "Lost" PD libraries
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 07:02:00 AM »
Did you try,
https://amiga.foul.fr/
Might not help because is new libraries.
 

Offline Pentad

Re: "Lost" PD libraries
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 03:04:38 PM »
I think it is a shame that so much software has been lost from the 80's (and late 70's ). There was a great article I read a few years ago about the loss of history from this era. Most programmers didn't save their work or if they did they could not access it anymore because the media has changed so much. Of course, many of the programmers are no longer with us.  Such a great loss...



Update:

Here is a link to an OSNews article on Atari ST users who paid to have an old HD recovered so they could get the last build of Geneva/NeoDesk. One ST user paid for the recovery and others pitched in after the fact.  Pretty neat story. I'm glad they were able to rescue this before it it was gone forever.

http://www.osnews.com/story/29903/Atari_ST_multitasking_OS_Geneva_NeoDesk_to_be_open_sourced
« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 03:34:16 PM by Pentad »
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Offline scuzzb494

Re: "Lost" PD libraries
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2017, 03:52:42 PM »
I get mail from guys asking if I can send them copies of disks that actually featured some of their work as it was no longer around and they had lost it. Never quite sure how much of the stuff is duplicated . Best place really is one of the 17-bit CDs that come on the Bay. Sadly there are loads of disk missing because , I beleive, they removed them because of copyright worries.

This is my PD page from the site which is so out of date. I am in the throws of going through all the disks so I should be able to better list what I have. Also a copy of the Amiga Shopper PD Directory which still comes up for sale on the Bay at times.

http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz140.htm

http://www.scuzzscink.com/amiga/car_0507/a_scuzz_retro_0507_017.jpg

Offline Matt_H

Re: "Lost" PD libraries
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 02:14:19 AM »
Quote from: Pentad;828924
I think it is a shame that so much software has been lost from the 80's (and late 70's ). There was a great article I read a few years ago about the loss of history from this era. Most programmers didn't save their work or if they did they could not access it anymore because the media has changed so much. Of course, many of the programmers are no longer with us.  Such a great loss...



Update:

Here is a link to an OSNews article on Atari ST users who paid to have an old HD recovered so they could get the last build of Geneva/NeoDesk. One ST user paid for the recovery and others pitched in after the fact.  Pretty neat story. I'm glad they were able to rescue this before it it was gone forever.

http://www.osnews.com/story/29903/Atari_ST_multitasking_OS_Geneva_NeoDesk_to_be_open_sourced


Universities are (generally speaking) just starting to get into digital archiving, and by the time their operations are sophisticated enough to get to the early years, it will probably be too late. Good thing devices like the Kyroflux are readily available now, meaning that more people can work to recover obscure disks.

The Geneva/NeoDesk story reminds me of HTMLview from our own community. Original author Allan Odgaard's hard drive with the source code had a defective interface board. The community was able to find a replacement board, repair the hard drive, and recover the code. A lot more ingenuity like that is going to be required in the near future.



I suspect it's unlikely that we'll find any 100% intact PD libraries at this point, but we should try to make an effort to image those disks when possible. I'd completely ignored the ones mentioned in my first post when I first picked them up, but was doing another pass through the collection to see if I'd missed anything and I'm glad I checked.