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Offline kolla

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #44 from previous page: August 27, 2017, 11:11:26 AM »
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Thanks for your response. I've never seen one of these emulators work. Are they really OK, or do they have some operating limitation?

They are very OK for these kinds of things. Emulators gives you _much_ more freedom and less limitations than any real Amiga hardware, the only hick-up I struggle with, is a little latency when playing certain games. For system friendly productivity software (which is what it sounds like you are doing), WinUAE and FS-UAE are excellent.
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Offline kolla

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2017, 11:12:29 AM »
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wawa is well known powerpc hater.


And you are an infamous PowerPC fetishist :laughing:
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2017, 11:52:56 AM »
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Thanks for your response. I've never seen one of these emulators work. Are they really OK, or do they have some operating limitation?


why, you can simply download winuae or fs-uae for that matter and simply run them on your windows, mac (?) or linux. the usage is pretty straightfroward, you only need to get hold of amiga kickstart images, either read them out from your genuine hardware, or buy them form an official distributor like cloanto or simply use aros replacement kickstart which is free and will be usually sufficient for regular amiga (68k) software.

now, what concerns performance, to be a bit more precize about what i wrote, i assumed you want simply run your existing amiga (68k) binaries. in which case emulation on x86 is clearly superior in terms of speed. i was not talking about running ppc code, which you might compile assuming you still have your sources, in which case you would lose the advantage of thebrute force computing power of x86, because ppc emulation is apparently slower than 68k, but you might gain a bit on ppc hardware.

nevertheless if you have your sources at hand you might as well compile native x86/x64 binaries, against amiga api, such as aros x86/x64 and run them natively or hosted on a pc, which again would be the fastest option.

however, this all are probably too dry technical considerations, while most users base their decisions on sort of sentiment, being it whether the genuine amiga or ppc, their choice of operating system, loyalty to a certain fraction or whatever.
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Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2017, 12:24:11 PM »
Yes, emulation it's great. And in X5000, too.

Here my X5000 with Os3.9, Playstation and NES.

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Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2017, 02:06:25 PM »
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And you are an infamous PowerPC fetishist :laughing:

Hey! Don't lump him in with the rest of us that support PPCs.
He posts on MorphZone as well, and his posts there are rejected as much as they are here.

They aren't just biased, they are frequently inaccurate.

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Yes, emulation it's great. And in X5000, too.

Here my X5000 with Os3.9, Playstation and NES.

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Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2017, 04:01:02 PM »
I wrote my progs many years ago using HiSoft basic compiled. They have run every day for 12 hours or so for twenty years, doing repetitive probability calculations. The machine has burnt its A3640 card but the cpu is ok according to Leaman computing. I am worried that an emulator on a laptop would overheat if run all the time and would not be as quick as the new X5000. As this is important the cost of the new machine is secondary. I can sell the bits off the 4000 040 to help the cost. Thanks again
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2017, 08:01:11 PM »
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I wrote my progs many years ago using HiSoft basic compiled.

in this case it seems the choice is between running a genuine 68k binary or recompiling it for the target architecture. in which case you might need to adapt your code to the available basic compilers for particular platform. alas i cant tell much of the current state of basic implementations for ppc systems running os4. i can see that aros has bwbasic and cbmbasic sources in ports, but i dont have any experience with those and do not even know if they are being interpreted or compiled. i could just build them for x86 and 68k just to check out what they are, admittedly.

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I am worried that an emulator on a laptop would overheat if run all the time and would not be as quick as the new X5000.


i would rather worry that x5000 is not as fast as a second or third hand budget pc in executing 68k code, and that in case of overheat under constant load the hardware replacement cost might be considerably higher and the replacement availability might be far less secure than some pc laptop. but then its your own reasoning and choice.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2017, 08:33:58 PM »
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bwbasic and cbmbasic


ok, just compiled them for m68k and baywater basic is an interpreter and cbm basic is basically for c64, lol, detects 64k ram no matter what. so no use i guess.
 

Offline outrun1978

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2017, 09:26:28 PM »
@warwazon  as it so happens my blogpost today about "classic mode" on the X5000 may help answer any questions you may have about performance especially as i have now set up "classic mode" to run as a 68040 machine with 256mb ram and with  Picasso 96 screenmode which is what Ribdevil1 is trying to point out with the link to his Facebook post.

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The X5000 will certainly give you the best of classic and NG words if you are wanting my evaluation  especially now I have the classic side set up quite well :-)
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2017, 09:40:29 PM »
@outrun
looked at that very briefly, seems to be instructions on setting up your graphics with ppc euae. this is not performance wise of any issue with any emultion i use on x86/x64, neither on host not even under vm. i doubt is has any signicicant impact on simple cpu dependant number crunching tasks as seem to be subject for alphagemini.
 

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Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2017, 07:57:06 AM »
You surprise me that the x5000 is not as fast as a bog standard pc with emulation. Is that really so?
 

Offline outrun1978

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2017, 09:33:45 AM »
@alphagemini

I think you will find the  X5000 is much quicker running Amiga OS4.1 than any PC running Amiga OS4.1 under emulation. ;-)

In fact the X5000 is too quick at times especially when it comes to unpacking and transferring files.
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Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2017, 11:05:51 AM »
Thanks for your help. I will struggle on trying to get my 4000 040 back on but I am very tempted to get the x5000!!
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2017, 11:06:58 AM »
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60665

scroll down a bit to karlos post #5 with the results for the same binary with euae on an apparently rather old lower end core2 pc. as you see that old pc beats all ppc hardware inclusive g4 (g5 might be a bit faster) in 68k emulation. (x5000 seems roughly comparable to x1000, it might be a bit faster in some areas but, slower in others, i think it doesnt have altivec for instance). according to this number crunching test aeon ppc hardware plays speed wise in the same category as g4 based apple products.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2017, 11:19:45 AM »
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Thanks for your help. I will struggle on trying to get my 4000 040 back on but I am very tempted to get the x5000!!


a4k is a very fine machine, you need to look at the board though to determine if the battery and the capacitors dont leak, rtc battery should be usually removed asap.

im not sure though if i would impose number crunching tasks on it these days. excuse me that blatant advertising, but vampire stand alone might interest you:
http://apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=8375&z=wJN3nz
note that i dont have this hardware and cant report its abilities first hand. one should be very cautious with that sort of things, i admit.
 

Offline Acill

Re: Here is my x5000
« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2017, 01:32:27 PM »
Can we please get back on topic? I would really like to learn more about the X5000 and NG stuff. I have a 4000T for classic.
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