A1222 For real??

[Iggy]

@Iggy

Still enough for The Last of Us and Split Second. Arcade racers are a dying breed and Split Second is awesome and full of fun explosions. Why regular racing games are churned out year on year while games like Outrun 2, Split Second and Twisted Metal get left on the shelf I'll never understand. Forza, Project Cars and GT just bore me and F1 games are too stressful. Nothing has beaten The Last of Us for multiplayer or the story on the single player.

Until Spiderman, TLOU 2, Days Gone and Sonic Mania are out there are no good reasons to get a PS4 (Pro). But even then where's the arcade racer?

In regards to the A1222 (rubbish name by the way) it will definitely be better than an old Mac Mini.

Interesting conclusion about the PS3, as to the A1222, we will just have to wait to see the benchmarks. The primary advantage being discreet graphics.
And you're right, the name sucks.

[JimmiG]

Supposedly, it might come out in October this year. The boards themselves have existed for at least 1.5 - 2 years and were available to beta testers, but OS4 development isn't exactly known for being speedy.

[psxphill]

Do you really think you could cope with 256MB of RAM in desktop use? You might get a browser started, but it'll kill it if you try to open any page nowadays

Not enough memory

It's no worse than the Phase 5 PowerPC boards.

[Rob]

It's no worse than the Phase 5 PowerPC boards.

256MB was plenty for 68k Amiga OS in the late nineties but it would be too restrictive for PPC Amiga OS two decades later.

I started out with 256MB with my A1XE but felt much more comfortable when I upgraded to 512MB and eventually ended up with 1GB just to make sure I'd never run out of memory.

[BozzerBigD]

The PS3 could run Yellow Dog Linux before the infamous firmware update that removed the feature. It also works fine as a backup web browser if an emergency. Even the PS2 with Music Generator 2 can produce some great music so I really don't see that RAM is a major limitation to usability.

[amiadudeorwat]

I'm curious how the A1222 FPU issue turned out, whether it means everything needed recompiling or they got around it with kernel tricks.  Assuming it isn't too bad, I would have bought one by now.

[BozzerBigD]

I'm curious how the A1222 FPU issue turned out, whether it means everything needed recompiling or they got around it with kernel tricks.  Assuming it isn't too bad, I would have bought one by now.

Do you mean if it was available you would have already bought it?

[amiadudeorwat]

Do you mean if it was available you would have already bought it?

Yes possibly, depending on price and whether the discussion about whether the FPU issue was actually a big problem, meaning big compatibility problems or terrible performance.  There was a lot of talk about this when it was announced and I haven't heard much more about it since.

[JimmiG]

I think the issue is overblown. FPU's aren't useful for most regular computing, and even then, emulating instructions shouldn't be a big deal if done right.

I guess we'll find out once the NDA's are lifted, since no one is allowed to talk about AmigaOS on the A1222 at the moment. I don't know why they have NDA's for such a niche platform...I guess it makes the 4 people that are beta testing it feel important, when they can keep secrets from the 7 people that are planning on buying it :lol:

[goldfish]

LOL JimmiG I be one of the 7

[Rob]

Yes possibly, depending on price and whether the discussion about whether the FPU issue was actually a big problem, meaning big compatibility problems or terrible performance.  There was a lot of talk about this when it was announced and I haven't heard much more about it since.

Here's the video I linked earlier in the thread with ScummVM, UAE and Emotion video player on OS4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPdr7MaGvLo

Another video of Tower 57.  The Amiga port uses pure software rendering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS4Eyfywbng

This guy has done a bunch of videos demonstrating Linux on the A1222.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxAPb9mmyCRYYGPOj_gnbWQ

[dooz]

@amiadudeorwat

Unfinished product benchmarks are always not welcome. That kind of benchmarks are wrong and not really represent the real possibilities of new product like A1222.

As a beta tester I also dont see the purpose of premature benchmarks. One day something is slow and not acceptable, then developers do something and you get dramatic increase of performance or new possibilities.  When the product is finished we (both beta testers and regular users) will see the real benchmarks. Even then the process is not finished, we will just have minimal acceptable level for all users.

I also think that FPU issue is overblown. In fact from the tecnical point of view A1222 has a double precision FPU integrated inside P1022 CPU. Its there and it is functional. Software just needs to use it if required. Its not like A-Eon is delivering system without FPU. If there is a high demand for speed we will see recompiled old software or if not it will work under emulation. This is also valid for new software. For 3D games right approuch is to use possibilities of modern GFX cards over PCIe bus. Only that approuch will produce excellent results....not FPU.

At least this is how I think.....

I think the issue is overblown. FPU's aren't useful for most regular computing, and even then, emulating instructions shouldn't be a big deal if done right.

I guess we'll find out once the NDA's are lifted, since no one is allowed to talk about AmigaOS on the A1222 at the moment. I don't know why they have NDA's for such a niche platform...I guess it makes the 4 people that are beta testing it feel important, when they can keep secrets from the 7 people that are planning on buying it :lol:

[TheMagicM]

i guess it makes the 4 people that are beta testing it feel important, when they can keep secrets from the 7 people that are planning on buying it :lol:

lmao

[utri007]

It should be economy priced, compared to previous Amiga OS mobos.

Price has been promised to be less than 400%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;, just wondering what I'll get in that price

[pVC]

It's no worse than the Phase 5 PowerPC boards.

It's no more than on those == not enough

[Iggy]

I think the issue is overblown. FPU's aren't useful for most regular computing, and even then, emulating instructions shouldn't be a big deal if done right.

I guess we'll find out once the NDA's are lifted, since no one is allowed to talk about AmigaOS on the A1222 at the moment. I don't know why they have NDA's for such a niche platform...I guess it makes the 4 people that are beta testing it feel important, when they can keep secrets from the 7 people that are planning on buying it :lol:

Unless a solution is implemented in the OS, software packages using floating point instructions will either have to be recompiled or they will fail to work.
Emulating the instruction with code based on the alternate fpu is not that big a deal, but trapping and translation IS.
At least initially, I don't anticipate that this will be a particularly efficient process, so we are likely to see specific binaries being compiled for the A1222.

And this is not THAT big a deal, but it IS a PITA.