F1

[PMC]

Okay, pair point about BAR dude!  I was referring to the loss of the historic Tyrrell name.

The whole Silverstone thing sucks to me, there is talk of a London Grand Prix (with Comrade Ken giving those nasty, polluting and noisy cars free reign to race around the capital) which would be quite an event, but I can't see the infrastructre being in place for it next year.  

If Ecclestone wanted to cut F1 costs, then surely he would be trying to lower his already high fees?  

Anyway, I agree on the point that a third car would push costs even further thus putting pressure on teams like Sauber, Jordan and Minardi.  Still, at least Coulthard would be likely to keep his McLaren seat!

[Bezzen]

Eccle should get rid of that fee for entering a new team (was it $40 million?). It's not a real fee (the team gets it back), but it sure isn't many people in the world who can open their purse and put that amount on the table. The cause for the fee was to only get really serious entries and not another Pacific, Simtek or Life team that went bust. I don't really see the point. Why not let everyone who think they can run a team enter. And if they go bust they go bust. At least there would be some more cars on the grid now and then. And some more drivers would get the chance to show off. (unless Verstappen steals their seat, as he always seem to do).

Btw, now it seems like Dallara could be up for buying Jaguar. There has been serious rumours about them building a team for 2006, but now there's speculation that they might buy a complete team and run the R6-car next year. Would be nice.

[Bezzen]

Anyway, I agree on the point that a third car would push costs even further thus putting pressure on teams like Sauber, Jordan and Minardi. Still, at least Coulthard would be likely to keep his McLaren seat!

I think that only the top teams were forced to run a third car (wouldn't be a part of the championship). But perhaps that's something I've made up. I'm not really sure.  :-o

[blobrana]

GO Alonso....

"Barcelona, Barcelona,
I had this perfect dream
-Un sueno me envolvio
This dream was me and you
-Tal vez estas aqui
I want all the world to see
-Un instinto me guiaba
A miracle sensation
My guide and inspiration
Now my dream is slowly coming true" - Queen

[CU_AMiGA]

blobrana wrote:
GO Alonso....

"Barcelona, Barcelona,
I had this perfect dream
-Un sueno me envolvio
This dream was me and you
-Tal vez estas aqui
I want all the world to see
-Un instinto me guiaba
A miracle sensation
My guide and inspiration
Now my dream is slowly coming true" - Queen

Hey Yo!

I like that song! :-D

Schumacher to win again this season me thinks!

Regards,

[Doobrey]

CU_AMiGA wrote:
Schumacher to win again this season me thinks!

Yup, especially since Ecclestone`s introduced the new rule that any non-red cars will be randomly banned for two races.

So what does everyone think of BAR`s ban?
From what I`ve read, they hadn`t actually broken any rules. But wierdly the FIA didn`t have to prove they did, BAR had to  prove they didn`t..and since they had no way of proving the weight of the car throughout the race they lost the appeal.

The sooner all the other team set up the breakaway GP series, the better it`ll get. Oh, suprise suprise, who`s the  only team not to have signed that letter of intent to form the new series(and so, still in favour with Ecclescake)??
 :pissed:

[Abou27]

I think that BAR got off lightly.  Their fuel system itself requiring the extra tank isn't illegal but counting the fuel in it as part of the car's dry weight is.  The fact that when initially asked to completely drain the car of fuel for weighing, they left the fuel in the secondary tank but declared the car empty, suggests to me that they were entirely aware of what they were doing and were cheating.  It is also irrelevant(sp?) if the weight didn't fall below 600kgs during the race.  Just my interpretation.:-)




On Ecclestone; I have heard that he is getting pretty fed up of the changes that Mosley has been introducing and is particularly displeased with the qualifying changes.  It is Mosley who is still on the safety and slow car crusade.  I think he is correct to suggest being heavy handed with rule breakers, though.


The re-instatement of Ferrari after the bargeboard situation to ensure a championship deciding final race a few years back was disgraceful, though.  A tad more consistency needed.

I couldn't watch the race, so have recorded it to watch later.  Looking forward to it, though.  Good to see another team on top and such a pleasant driver as Alonso there too.  He should be able to hold on for championship.  Hopefully.

[Bezzen]

I heard something rather interesting about the BAR cheating from the commentary of the swedish F1 broadcasts. At a grand prix last year he had been chatting with some important BAR person before the race. That BAR-dude was complaining about Renault cheating. He said that it was a "well known fact" among the other teams that Renault was doing something possibly illegal. And then he went on to describe what the teams thought they were doing. And.... well, he described exactly what BAR was caught doing this year.  :-D

[Vincent]

 :laughing:

[Abou27]

Interesting.  If true, that would certainly put the cat amongst the old pigeons :-o

I know F1 cars are well complicated (slight understatement) but I don't see why the FIA couln't have a specialized team to really thouroughly check out the cars;  or maybe I'm being a bit naive? :-)

[lurkist]

Wow, F1 talk in a.org, this really is the perfect forum!  Yeah, Ecclestone has to go, big time.  It's not just his tailoring of the F1 scene to his own petty tastes, he clearly comes across as an a**hole on the TV as well.  Such a huge institution as F1 shouldn't be so firmly in the hands of just one guy.  Presumably, there is no president of Football as a whole (don't know / care), or Boxing, etc.

As for BAR's ban, UK coverage of F1 is limited to race weekends, so what happens inbetween comes all at once.  A little surprised to hear of this, vehicles should definitely be checked before the race.  Would a boxer be let into the ring with a concealed weapon?  Would an olympic high jumper be allowed to wear springs on his feet? (not suggesting foul play on BAR's part, just lack of procedure on F1's).

BTW, any other brits annoyed at F1 moving to ITV with ads, etc?  Aaarghh!  WHATS HAPPENING AT THE FRONT???  I DON~T CARE ABOUT PRODUCTS TO KEEP MY TOILET SMELLING LIKE A RAIN FOREST!!!!!

[Vincent]

I'd actually say get rid of Max Mosley, not Bernie.

And yes, those ads have been annoying me for 4 years now.  Bloody annoying, but then again it meant that during the Australian GP I got to see the 2nd part of John Smith's Wedding Party ad for the first time :-D

Possibly the last JS ad with PK :-(

[Doobrey]

lurkist wrote:
BTW, any other brits annoyed at F1 moving to ITV with ads, etc?

Yup, and I swear they cut to ads just as something moderately interesting happens.
 Take the San Marino GP for example, 4 laps from the finish, Schumacher crawling all over the back of Alonso and ITV cuts to an ad break. :pissed:
 What moron thought that`d be a good time to press the magic button ? 60-odd laps of bugger all happening, then when it gets exciting we get shown ads for bog roll and ear wax removal   :pissed:  :pissed:

[Bezzen]

Monaco GP this weekend! Woohoo! I just love that race, eventhough there's no overtaking there's just something very special about it.  :-)

[Abou27]

Yeah, it's amazing!  Hopefully lots of in car footage.

I defy anyone, formula1 fan or not, to fail to be enthralled by the Monaco event.  Marvellous :-)

[blobrana]

Watch out for Alonso...
amazingly, the car is wizzing around the track...

(i seem to recall him waving his fist at another driver whilst he was crashing last year...)