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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #104 from previous page: January 01, 2003, 02:45:10 AM »
bottom line is they dont want to sell OS4 to people like me....people who dont want to buy a 'special"(rebadged teronCX) motherboard to run their OS.... I want OS4 on my Pegasos...they dont want to sell it to me... you can sit and cry and carry on that OS4 needs this massive anti-piracy to keep people from stealing it...but the other side of the coin is...who really cares enough about OS4 to buy an A1 to run it? 'diehards' do... and those diehards would buy OS4 anyway...so there is no 'win' in tieing it to one board...
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2003, 02:51:14 AM »
@kronos

Don't get me wrong, i think the peg is a decent piece of hardware, better than the A1 maybe, but morphos isnt going to be enough to keep it alive... and i think you know that....

But nevertheless AOS4 wont  make an appearance until eyetech have recouped their outlay.... which is sad b ut thats the way the market works mate.,..

Personally I would love a peg with os 4 over any other variant....

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2003, 02:52:59 AM »
@Kurt

I think this time you have gone too far. What was this if not "spreading dissention and mistrust"?

(Expecting Samface to step forth and protect you as usual.)

 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2003, 02:53:11 AM »
@mips

For once i  am in agrement with you.. nuff said.
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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2003, 02:59:24 AM »
@Skyraker
Why ? The missing name ? How many people outside the "community"
would even consider buying a computer based on a name ?

Currently MorphOS is leading by a distance and after I read the latest
interviews were all Hyperion-guys said something like "no no I mainly
work on Mac/Linux/?? projects, OS4 is done by someone else" I
don't see tha gap getting closer. Genesi on the other side have been
hiring and licenceing like mad. Turboprint and a real JAVA-VM are
things that will be important. Genesi is also the only company working
on real new HW (eclipsis) that might be of interest to a wider market.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #109 on: January 01, 2003, 03:09:04 AM »
@kronos

As much as i respect you as a vendor of handbugers ;), how  can you say that MorphOS is leading the way, when AOS4 is not released, i'm all for seeing both sides of a story , but from what i hear MOS is not terribly comfortable when runnign 68k binaries (  I understand the technics here ), but nevertheless I see a perfect partnership of Pegasos and AO4, after all it is Amiga, and morphos (with the best intentions) is not.....

Basically mate, I want my Amiga back, and i dont care who provides this...


Are you listening people, forget the organisations behind this!!!! we want out AMIGA back..... who gives a toss who does it..... I just think IMHO peg + OS4 is the way, morph os ios no evolution....

please convince me....... I (unlike some) are open to suggestion...

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #110 on: January 01, 2003, 03:10:04 AM »
@Kurt

I give you credit Kurt when you want to spread lies you do it big style.
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #111 on: January 01, 2003, 03:15:34 AM »
@skyraker

When was OS4 shown public last time ?
Mid November on the WOASE.
The MOS I have here is from 24.10.02.

So it should be fair to compare those 2.

OS4 was 100% useless at that time, and alot of keyfeatures like
the 68k-emu hadn't been tested at all (on OS4-kernel that is).

I run GoldED-AIX without problems, I even use the highest setting
for syntax-highlightning that is recomended for CPUs >1ghz (in UAE).

Speed is more than good.

Compiling MorphOS-native SW is also no  problem (gues what I'm
doing at this time).

How long until you can do that on an A1 (not in Linux-UAE) ?
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #112 on: January 01, 2003, 03:15:41 AM »
Bull! Kronos and YOU KNOW IT!
I don't Want to get Personal

BUT I KNOW THE TRUTH AND So Do You!

FACT!!!!!

Hyperion tried to get info in order to program AOS V4
for the Classic Amiga.
Bplan said no.
which is why we have no AOS V4 for the Blizzards.
Bplan blocked it even though it would have cost them nothing
to have AOS ported for the classic line.

What it would have cost them is more software support for MorphOS
and sales of Pegasos boards.
Which is exactly why it was done.
which is why you are saying what you are saying!
They DON'T Want IT PERIOD FACT!

HYPERION OFFERED BPLAN and the MorphOS Team.
to be part of the AmigaOS 4 team.
THEY said no!
 
THAT IS A FACT not the #$^#$ #$% Stuff you are saying.

Kurt

 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #113 on: January 01, 2003, 03:16:22 AM »
oh and btw, if anyone is wondering why I am so anti Bill bluck then I have a message in my Inbox of amiga.org (i'm sure the mods will confirm this) from Bill Bluck threatening to come and visit me and 'have a word' , this is a cEO for christs sake...

i havent posted it, because in fairnes I called the guy a prick, but nevertheless, Mcewen gets called the same every day.. .does the man email people threatening to come to their house? NO

Peg is a nice machine , fronted by a retard....


I will post it if required, but it was sent in private
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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #114 on: January 01, 2003, 03:18:54 AM »
Kurt then whats the point of the 'rom' ? ... the Pegasos is idential to the A1 aside from the VIA southbridge... wich isnt some 'closed' spec... Hyperion could make OS4 for Pegasos...
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #115 on: January 01, 2003, 03:20:13 AM »
@Kurt

Yeah and Ben is an angel in a white dress  :-o

How hard do you think would it be to get that info using reverse-engeneering ?

You know Linux runs quite fine on that HW, and you can't really hide something
in a linux-kernel.

Well and bPlan offered Hyperion to produce games for MorphOS, but they said no !!

For some reason Ben wanted to save the Amiga single-handed, and everybody
else to work in his shadow (same on the other side).

Result: Clash of egos.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #116 on: January 01, 2003, 03:20:38 AM »
by Kurt on 2002/12/31 21:33:17
>You Sir are a LIAR !
> Okay folks let me say this again for you people who
> have not been listening.
> AMIGAOS 4.0 WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR ANY
> HARDWARE COMPANY THAT WANTS IT.

Why would "Hardware companies" want it? They make hardware. Targetting software is the job of "Software Companies" ie. Amiga inc.

I think this  quote, from Ross Heinlein of Tratechnology, developers of the "Barbie" PPC board, sums up the position from a hardware manufacturers POV quite nicely.

QUOTE - Ross Heinlein
"I'm in developement of a POP board, the "barbie" http://penguinppc.org/dev/pop/ If I can make AOS4 run on this, I'll contribute my sources/drivers, if not, well, one board is better than none, eh? Barbie will NOT be licensing AOS, we don't deal with software companies, it's not our job to chase down OS developers. If you'd like to work on this board, fine, I'll help, if not, that's fine too. Your policy guarantees that your OS will only run on boards specifically manufactured for that purpose, which is very shortsighted considering many PPC boards are about to begin developement due to recently available PPC chipset solutions. You need to realise that as Hardware manufacturers, your OS licensing is NOT our concern, we just build hardware, we don't play games and tailor separate product lines for every "niche-OS" who has crazy ideas, you should rethink yours. I do not speak for my employer in a manner I can be held accountable for, but what I say is a valid representation of their (and my) views on the matter"

So far he's been right, the choices in available motherboards available in the POP PPC market have more than tripled since he's written that, and Amiga have positioned themselves in a way where they gain no advantage whatsoever from it.

Hardware companies -don't care- about AmigaOS because they have no incentive to waste their time with it for the prospect of a whopping 1000 sales. if you leave system integration up to the hardware developers, AmigaOS will simply be ignored, and Amiga has lost potential sales.

Ross is right, why would Tratechnology bother to go through the hassle of licensing, when there's nothing in it for them? Amiga, however, have something in it for them if they let their OS run on this board, sales!

The HAL issue with respect to this board is incorrect, this board is HAL-Agnostic compared to the Pegasos and the AmigaOne, this can be verified by examining the sourcecode available in the URL quoted from Ross above,  Linux uses the same HAL for this group of boards listed there.

In any market, you're better off expanding your potential market, not limiting it.

In any business, you're best handling responsibility for market proliferation yourself, rather than expecting others to do the promoting of your product, that they gain little to nothing from doing anyway, for you.






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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #117 on: January 01, 2003, 03:23:11 AM »
@Skyraker

That's why I always said that OS4 will be superior. Noone has ever seen it, but the Amiga sticker gives it such a degree of positive discrimination, that it will win once released, even if it will be technically inferior. If it will sport the same features, or will be better than MorphOS, then there's nothing to stop it. It's a boost not to be underestimated.

 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #118 on: January 01, 2003, 03:23:35 AM »
different Boot roms
which is what it comes down to.
Hyperion can't program for a machine
without a machine and documentation.
Neither which is forth coming from Genesi
remember in most countries reverse engineering
software libaries are illegal.
So GENESI could Sue Hyperion for even attempting
to do a port for the Pegasos.

 

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Re: AmigaOne clones?
« Reply #119 on: January 01, 2003, 03:23:37 AM »
@Skyraker
And I still got an email from Ben where he threatened to drag me int court
over voicing my opinion/suspicions.

No imagine Ben would have gotten sued everytime he spread unprooven stuff
about the competition.

And I even ain't "competition", quite on the contrary: abck than I was still
pro-OS4  :-o
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else