AmigaOne clones?

Paul_Gadd right on man.

[Alkemyst]

About the Aone ML

just like any other ML there are some good stuff & some bad stuff.

Take the rough with the smooth


Make it avail to as many ppl as they can.

your style is Aos4 with USB dongle.
that only would works on the MAI board at this time cos of the HAL.

wich you totally ignored.


Yes there are not millions of amigaOS users but there soon would be as if there was no protection in Aos4.

millions of a type of OS user's = nothing. you want millions of paying OS users.



no  wonder linux is the fastest growing OS on the x86 platform Its free most SW for it is free as well.
very little of pay for SW for linux is for the home user cos the linux home user dont want to pay.


For the part you dont understand about limiting the OS to the HW Apple seems to do ok.

You want a copy os Aos4 but not an Aone.
If its  cos you think the Aone is crap hardware then your on a no winner here.
cos atm Os4 will only run on the same HW with USB dongle, HAL only for MAI mobo atm & for amiga PPC cards.
 

[Alkemyst]

OK paul what the solution for ppl who want to run Aos4.

All you can do is moan & never offer any help.
 

I dont like how Amiga.inc done things anymore than you do.

but i would not knock ppl & call them Amiga.ink lovers cos they want to run the next version of the O|S they have liked & have beenuseing for years.
 
Maybe you have not noticed that Amiga.inc is not Making Aos4 & im glad they are not.

When you see me deffend Amiga.inc in a comment when they have clearly done yet another stupid thing then you then may have the right to call me An amiga.inc lover.

But i have not. so hold your mouth.

[Skyraker]

@mips

Paul_Gadd right on man.

Didn't you just spend your hard earned (heh) cash on a Pegasos?

It's the same hardware.... or at least the same spec.

I orderd a Pegasos yes... similer it is...but it isnt attached to eyetech or A.inc... and I'm not a zealot about the board... I know that a P4/AthlonXP will crush PPC and that the boards features are fairly out of date and obselete....

I think pauls referring to the zealots/cheerleaders who for no other reason then the name 'Amiga' sit and preach superiority for it... I've talked that one to death so I'll leave it at that.


and I didnt work 'hard' for the money I blew on the peggy

[Paul_Gadd]

@Alkemyst

It really must be tearing  you apart knowing what so called wonderfull Amiga companies are really like, liars,theives,cheats,scammers,fraudsters,con artists,amateurs,

OK paul what the solution for ppl who want to run Aos4

I want to see OS4 run on a PPC machine of my choice instead of a poor board what has not even got DDR slots on it which is pathetic,

I have nothing against people who want to buy a TeronONE but i find it hard to believe REAL PEOPLE are worshiping Amiga companies so badly it is going out of control.

[Warface]

My opinion on this AmigaONE clones dispute...

It seems (as the original plan of an Eyetech/Escena designed AmigaONE have failed) that only OS4 determines if something is an AmigaONE or not. Yet I doubt (opinion, for the two nitpickers) that if someone purchases a few hundred Teron boards from MAI and applies for a license to Amiga Inc will ever get a licence.

Eyetech invested a serious amount in developing an AmigaONE, even if fruitlessly. They are now little more than distributors of a dongleised Teron, and clearly at the mercy of Hyperion.

The strange thing is, there is no OS4 yet, but AmigaONEs are out. In the moment Hyperion announces OS4 for either the Teron or the Pegasos, AmigaONE buyers are shot in the back.

Another issue, that it's Amiga Inc granting the licenses, not Hyperion. Three different companies, three different interests. Hyperion holds the cards though, Amiga Inc only has veto - they can withdraw the permission of IP usage from Hyperion.

The question is - which company of the three is interested having this OS available on other platforms than Eyetech boards?

Eyetech is absolutely not. The question is, how much influence Eyetech has on Amiga Inc and Hyperion.

Amiga Inc? They play no role in the game. Even if they want OS4 on a board on which Hyperion doesn't, they cannot force Hyperion to port OS4.

Hyperion? Hyperion has become the key factor with an unfinished product. (Not unusual in the Amiga market, sad to say) The question is, what their contract's contain - something we will never know.

That's it. The contracts, licenses, permissions and vetos make up nothing more than about 10% of the issue. These lay out the possible movements, but we don't know the matrix of possible moves, so it's a waste of time speaking of it. We may guess however, and get a rough picture where we can place our three companies. The rest is dirty marketing crap and even dirtier politics.

Speaking of clones running AmigaOS 4 when it is not available is really a good topic to chew on. Sigh.

[Kronos]

The question is - which company of the three is interested having this ..........Amiga Inc? They play no role in the game.

Sure they do !!!

Ben Hermans claimed that AInc gets very little of every copy of OS4
and that the OS4-licence is free (believing that is another thing).

The licence for the name "AmigaOne" ain't free and that is the only part
were AInc could make some money (to rebate al those coupons ??).

So the question si what is more important to AInc ?
Making OS4 a success, and therefore spreading to as much HW as possible ?

Making a maximum of money without any work and in a minimum of time ?

Looking back the last 3 years the answer should come easy  :-x

[Tigger]

Alkemyst wrote:
Make it avail to as many ppl as they can.
your style is Aos4 with USB dongle.
that only would works on the MAI board at this time cos of the HAL.
wich you totally ignored.

You guys have let the word HAL became scary and have power over you.   Those of us that deal with HALs every single day, laugh at your fear and throw popcorn at you.   True if the only HAL that was ever supported was the great HAL of Teron, then this process would only support the 1000s of boards of boards Terrasoft and the other distributers will sell, but even that makes the OS 4.0 platform larger.   But what would really happen is new drivers and a modified HAL for other PPC solutions would become available and as this happened more and more people would buy OS 4.0.   Gee that sounds like a good idea again, much better then the Eyetech CARD(tm) idea.

Yes there are not millions of amigaOS users but there soon would be as if there was no protection in Aos4.
millions of a type of OS user's = nothing. you want millions of paying OS users.

Do you really believe that, do you really believe that millions of people are sitting around waiting for OS 4.0?   My approach offers as much protection as the CARD(tm) approach but increases the number of boards the software will run on several fold, with the promise of it running on even more platforms.   Thats more users not less, Eyetechs limited resources wont ship 5 figures worth of boards next year.

For the part you dont understand about limiting the OS to the HW Apple seems to do ok.

You really dont want to have this conversation with me, first of all last year Apple sold about 2% of the computers worldwide, thats right 98% were not Macs, in fact 97+% were x86 boxes.   Secondly despite high prices etc, Apple is not making money with their computers, look at their quarterly reports for the last 4 quarters, only one quarter did the computer division make money.   Is that really a model we should push for???  Which of the 3 companies  of the current OS 4.0 effort have a big non computer profit center to offset computer division losses???

You want a copy os Aos4 but not an Aone.
If its  cos you think the Aone is crap hardware then your on a no winner here.
cos atm Os4 will only run on the same HW with USB dongle, HAL only for MAI mobo atm & for amiga PPC cards.

If the OS is any good, it will get moved to better hardware, only Hyperion and Amiga Inc wont get royalties for it because it will have to be a cracked version, the other option would have had it people buying the OS for those hardware options.   Talk about encouraging piracy.   And lets be honest, for the price AmigaOne is crap hardware, its scary to have to pay more for an amiga then a comperable mac.    New Imac 700 Mhz G4, memory, video card, 15 inch flat screen, case, harddrive, DVD rom drive $1199.   AmigaOne G4 board $850, think you are going pick up all the missing stuff for $350???  Anyone else think they can pick it up for $350???   Gee that could be an Aos 4.0 platform, they only sold 750K units last year, oh wait no lets lock ourselves to the Teron + CARD(tm) board thats much better.
     -Tig
 

[Damion]

@Alkemyst

This issue has nothing to do with piracy...'millions' of people
nor the 'average joe' are going to buy outdated hardware to
run OS4. Would you buy a G3 or single G4 if you already
had a much faster Mac or PC? That's part of the issue...they
are limiting the OS to a few die - hards and the hands of a
few small companies. If the OS were available for purchase
to the 'millions' or the 'average joe' the losses due to
piracy would be drastically reduced. It's not quantum
physics ; a broader market (by at least tens of thousands)
= higer sales = higher profits = more money to fund
better OS technologies.

The piracy card is just a card. Its intended purpose
is to smokescreen the real issues....

[Ivan]

Wow what a load of garbage this all is.

A few facts first:

- Terrasoft made an announcement in december about selling Teron boards. Eyetech has been showing the same board with the rom dongle (AmigaOne) for months now.

- Hyperion reworked PPCboot thats on the Teron and AmigaOne.

- MAI's own Teron board was a far cry from what it is before Eyetech showed up at thier doorstep.

Even if i was into conspiracy theorys i wouldn't even touch this one.

Just reciently MAI's site shows a Teron board with the same specs as Eyetech's designs. Call me a liar if you wan't, i can remember how pathetic a board the Teron was a year ago. Do i think Eyetech just bought Terons from MAI like some people here are insinuating? Not a bit.

What i believe is the truth, Eyetech had too many problems with the custom chips they were working with before and spotted a PPC ATX board at MAI that with some changes would make a decient PPC board. They contacted MAI and MAI said sorry, we can't make a motherboard, we got this thing built at some far eastern company, here's thier phone number. Eyetech gets with this company and makes the A1 design. MAI comes back later, sees an even better board sporting thier chipset and places it on thier site. Why not, a better board makes thier chips look better. Terrasoft sees the board and orders 1k and sells them as linux systems.

People start saying that it's all MAI's designs, forgetting Eyetechs specs, Hyperions work on PPCboot, etc, and claim all Eyetech have done is hack in an extra socket to corner the market. All of it garbage but even if they did, hard cheese. There is only one motherboard design capable of running the OS, contrary to what the experts say and there is only one company supporting Amiga OS, thats Eyetech.

Your not going to get OS4 without buying the rom dongle. Hyperion don't give a damn if you like it or not and who could blame them. They wan't to sell the OS. If you wan't to buy a ppc board from MAI or Terrasoft, ask them to go to Hyperion and see if they will strike up a deal. All it takes is a USB dongle (pennies a unit), shrinkwrap it with the CD and there you go, choice of hardware.

But Eyetech are already doing that and for only a few bucks more. I care so much for that extra $100 when i've just forked over 50 times more for a system? Not when it's running Amiga OS too.

If any of you wan't OS4 on other PPC motherboards besides the AmigaOne i'd like to see you try convincing them to support Amiga OS. Apple sure won't, and all the wouldbe hackers here haven't got a clue of how much work they are in for when they try porting Amiga OS to MAC hardware. IBM? haha sure, i'll pay 10k for a power4 system just to run OS4, which it wont run on anyway. There IS Terrasoft though. It's about the only other place selling a board capable of running the OS. But nobody's going to give you OS4 for it unless it's protected so, you better beg Terrasoft to offer it along side linux. That or convince Hyperion to release a pirate version of the OS just for you. Good luck with both though. Actually, Terrasoft might consider it. If you can get $5 from an Amiga fanatic, why not take his money?

In the end, for all the BS'ing and name calling around here, i don't see what difference any of it would make. The OS still only runs on a board that was designed by Eyetech and won't run anywhere else. The Terons on MAI's site start at $6000, less if you buy in bulk but i only want one! Terrasoft has a board nearly identical but it won't run the OS because of no support for the OS. It's a bit cheaper, but ya know what? For $50 more it's worth it to me to go with the AmigaOne, just to dual boot the OS. And even if Terrasoft were to wrap OS4 with thier boards, it would still be the same price as the Eyetech offer! It seems all it is, is the price of the OS that everyone is bickering about.

Hard luck.


Still would like a power4 running Amiga OS though.



Ok, flame me as a troll, fanatic, zealot, blind follower, or worshipper or whatever else you can think up to make me look like a nut.

Anyway, Happy New Year everyone!

Ivan

[Skyraker]

@ivan

You've just confirmed what i've been saying, the A1 is NOT a rebadged teron board, more has gone into it than that......

Eyetech should be applauded for at least giving us the option of a decent PPC based Miggy, nevertheless, dont expect to see a clone anytime soon... FUD my arse, it's the way it is, deal with it...

Zealots or trolls need not apply.

[Ivan]

>This issue has nothing to do with piracy...'millions' of people
>nor the 'average joe' are going to buy outdated hardware to
>run OS4. Would you buy a G3 or single G4 if you already
>had a much faster Mac or PC? That's part of the issue...they
>are limiting the OS to a few die - hards and the hands of a
>few small companies. If the OS were available for purchase
>to the 'millions' or the 'average joe' the losses due to
>piracy would be drastically reduced. It's not quantum
>physics ; a broader market (by at least tens of thousands)
>= higer sales = higher profits = more money to fund
>better OS technologies.

>The piracy card is just a card. Its intended purpose
>is to smokescreen the real issues....


You completely overlook the fact that OS4 is FOR the diehards,
its FOR the current market, it WILL be spread to all that
wonderfull hardware in the future. Whats so funny is how some
of you can expect operations that take billion dollar
companys years to do from 2 or 3 small companys like Hyperion
Eyetech and Amiga Inc in the same time! Get in touch with the
reality of the situation for once. There are no millions
looking for the OS. Outside of the Amiga community there
are only pirates looking for a freebie.

The first order of business was to bring OS4 to the PPC cards
in our amigas now, then AmigaOne. If you think they are
going to putter about with G3's for the rest of time your
as blind as a bat.
(did this come off like a flame? sorry if it did, dont want to edit it)

Impatience i can empathise with though.

Ivan

[Kurt]

You Sir are a LIAR !

Okay folks let me say this again for you people who have not been listening.

AMIGAOS 4.0  WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR ANY HARDWARE COMPANY THAT WANTS  IT.

IF YOU WANT AMIGA OS FOR YOUR BLIZZARD OR YOUR PEGASOS BOARD
DON"T YELL AT AMIGA INC, HYPERION, OR EYETECH!!!!!!!

YELL AT GENESI/BPLAN/PHASE5 OR WHATEVER NAME THEY ARE CURRENTLY GOING UNDER.
THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE OS4.

They want you to run MorphOS.
Which they control and only runs on Their hardware ( PHASE5/DCE/Pegasos  hardware is Their hardware
same people , same manufacturing equipment. )

If you want AOS 4 on your PEGASOS ask Genesi to make it available.
Only GENESI can make it happen.

BTW I don't know about you but I PAID TWO TIMES MORE FOR MY COPY OF LINUX THAN I DID FOR AmigaOS
V3.9.

Linux is free if you have gobs of free time , and are willing to compile and set up everything
yourself.
which is why alot of  people !!BUY!! linux off the shelf. Or have a copy of an  off  the shelf
version installed.

MY PC version of SUSE Linux 8.1 Pro cost $79.00 well worth the money comes with nice books and a
couple of thousand programs on a stack of CD's.
MY Amiga version of SUSE PPC Linux 7.3 cost $79.00 comes with nice books and a couple of thousand
programs on a stack of CD's.
MY Amiga classic Version of OS V3.9 cost $39.00 no book one CD.

please if you want to Lie go elsewhere, spreading dissention
and mistrust helps no one. NOW GET A LIFE!


Kurt

[Kronos]

@Kurt

Get a bit of reality PLEASE !!!!

There is a difference between "don't want" and "don't care".

Genesi just DON'T CARE if OS4 runs on the Pegasos just like they don't
care if BeOS or IBMs AIX runs on it.

Do they prevent anybody from porting any OS ?
No, they are just won't sign any licence-deals for 3rd-party-SW.

Is the Pegasos documented good enough to port an OS ?

I would say docu on VIA-SBs and MAI-NBs  should be easy to get, and
OF and no secret either. The rest could be pulled from sources of
a Linux-kernel.

At some time someone decided that OS4 will only run on licenced
and bundled HW, and that one did know that this was unacceptable
for bPlan and now Genesi.

Their decision, not Genesi's.

bottom line is they dont want to sell OS4 to people like me....people who dont want to buy a 'special"(rebadged teronCX) motherboard to run their OS.... I want OS4 on my Pegasos...they dont want to sell it to me... you can sit and cry and carry on that OS4 needs this massive anti-piracy to keep people from stealing it...but the other side of the coin is...who really cares enough about OS4 to buy an A1 to run it? 'diehards' do... and those diehards would buy OS4 anyway...so there is no 'win' in tieing it to one board...