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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2017, 03:23:41 PM »
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Past hardware is totally abandoned now from the manufacturers. You cant get a single thing for them any longer, including the massively expensive X1000 machines. This single factor alone is what scares the hell out of me


That might be a deciding factor for me.  Planned obsolesence is part of the game in the x86 world, but the stakes aren't as high.
 

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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2017, 03:59:32 PM »
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That might be a deciding factor for me.  Planned obsolesence is part of the game in the x86 world, but the stakes aren't as high.


I would say, the X5000 has enough expansion possibilities with the PCI-x slots...
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2017, 04:13:44 PM »
@djomre

as an actual owner of a X5000 and other NG machines (as opposed to someone who isn't), the support from A-EON, hyperion, and acube has been terrific IMO. the only area that i think wasn't so great was the lack of an on-board ethernet driver for the X1000 and the X5000 -- we're still waiting for those, and i don't have much confidence we'll ever see them. otherwise it's been fine, including performance and bug-fix updates for years.

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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2017, 05:11:24 PM »
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I would say, the X5000 has enough expansion possibilities with the PCI-x slots...


Are they PCI-X or PCI-E? I hope they are not PCI-X, its not supported by anyone now from what I understand since PCI-E more or less took over.

I am very interested in the X5000, but as I mentioned the hardware support that is missing is very troubling to me to consider it still.
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2017, 05:19:23 PM »
@Acill

they are PCI-e slots, not PCI-X. and precisely what hardware support is missing that you keep mentioning? AFAIK the only thing missing is the on-board ethernet driver and SMP support.

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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2017, 05:26:54 PM »
If you can.
Get it.
X5000 it's the best option.
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2017, 05:45:20 PM »
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@Acill

they are PCI-e slots, not PCI-X. and precisely what hardware support is missing that you keep mentioning? AFAIK the only thing missing is the on-board ethernet driver and SMP support.

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If thats all thats missing now I take it back, but it still seems to be going very slowly as far as hardware support goes and new software. I did say I am interested in them, but just a bit skeptical of its long-term success.
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2017, 05:48:41 PM »
@Acill

fair enough. we'd all like things to move more quickly. we only now have a terrific 3D infrastructure in the past months. thankfully more is coming on that front, and more. anyway -- we'll just have to see how it plays out. for now, i'm lovin' my X5000 as-is! :)

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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2017, 06:19:59 PM »
I'm with Acill on this one. It's an interesting hobby machine but at the price you are paying you would be expecting a modern day system that can cope with all what that entails and this isn't it. At least not until the OS catches up. And who is to say it will in the lifetime of this machine? For me it appears to be an expensive cul-de-sac.

I think the A1222 may be a more attractive option given it's lower price point and once it actually is released.

This is all my opinion so take it for what it is. I honestly have no use for this machine. I have my classics for retro fun and I have my modern PC for daily stuff so perhaps I am not the target audience for the PPC Machines.

But if you are set on an X5000 then I hope it brings you much enjoyment! To each their own.
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2017, 07:23:25 PM »
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what are you thoughts?  Good/Bad?  Worth the money?

You're asking the wrong question. The first question you should ask yourself is: "What do I want to do with it"? An Amiga and an AmigaOne are two totally different beasts.

An Amiga is very slow, adding a graphics card is insanely expensive (and not really needed these days) and they're totally useless for today's computing tasks. Plus, the hardware might need some love before you can actually use it (recapping, removing batteries...). But depending on which model you buy, it's a cool reminder of days gone by, a collectible, the hardware project you always wanted to do or simply hardware porn. You can 'use' it to play old games, watch demos, try old applications you could never get your hands on back then or build a 1989 setup that can do DTP 1989 style and receive weather broadcasts via CB radio. Or you can spend hours finetuning Workbench to your liking.

An AmigaOne is relatively slow - yes, even the latest models - and insanely expensive. It can be used for about 15%  (totally made that number up right now) of today's computing tasks - if you're a masochist. But you'll own a computer of which only a few hundred units were build, not thousands or even millions - so: definitely hardware porn. It doesn't really run old games or demos, but it runs Linux game ports and some old applications, plus a bunch of new ones. And the Workbench - or rather the entire OS - is miles better than the older versions, i.e. finetuning it should be even more fun if that's your thing.

IMHO: if you think about what you want it for, it will become clear what you should buy. Plus, as somebody already mentioned: both platforms can be tried out via emulation for a low price, you might want to give that a try before spending thousands of dollars.
 

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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2017, 08:45:04 PM »
@cgutjahr

i think you may want to re-assess if the x5000 is slow....  just set mine up and already i notice a big big difference compared to the Sam 460..... even Timberwolf is usuable ;-)

webpages on Odyssey load very quickly...   really impressed so far with this machine :-)
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2017, 11:21:40 PM »
The ethernet thing is no big deal either!

I plugged in a 100/1000 pci card used the driver included with the AmigaOS and off to the races. Every URL I use works great and loads as fast as my pc. Which I'm using less...

As to the x1000, the great support by AmigaKIT is outstanding (ask Epsilion!)

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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2017, 12:26:04 PM »
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Are they PCI-X or PCI-E? I hope they are not PCI-X, its not supported by anyone now from what I understand since PCI-E more or less took over.

I am very interested in the X5000, but as I mentioned the hardware support that is missing is very troubling to me to consider it still.


You are right, it is the PCI-express type.
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2017, 02:54:53 PM »
Glad to see all these positive posts.
Its a great machine.
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2017, 06:18:27 PM »
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@cgutjahr

i think you may want to re-assess if the x5000 is slow....  just set mine up and already i notice a big big difference compared to the Sam 460..... even Timberwolf is usuable ;-)

webpages on Odyssey load very quickly...   really impressed so far with this machine :-)


Slow is relative. Compared to my 8-core Ryzen 1800X (3.6 GHz base, 4.1 GHz turbo), which cost about €700 for the motherboard+CPU, the X5000's dual-core CPU (one usable core in AmigaOS) at 2 GHz is slow by any metric. It's perhaps as powerful as the Snapdragon SOC in my phone.

Still, it's the fastest "Amiga" in the world, so by that definition it can't be slow, and it certainly should be faster than the SAM 460 that came out 7 years ago. So if you really want the fastest AmigaOS 4 machine available, this is it.
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Re: NG X5000 Advice
« Reply #29 from previous page: May 13, 2017, 07:21:36 PM »
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Slow is relative. Compared to my 8-core Ryzen 1800X (3.6 GHz base, 4.1 GHz turbo), which cost about €700 for the motherboard+CPU, the X5000's dual-core CPU (one usable core in AmigaOS) at 2 GHz is slow by any metric. It's perhaps as powerful as the Snapdragon SOC in my phone.

Still, it's the fastest "Amiga" in the world, so by that definition it can't be slow, and it certainly should be faster than the SAM 460 that came out 7 years ago. So if you really want the fastest AmigaOS 4 machine available, this is it.


WinUAE on your Ryzen will be faster than an X5000 ;)
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