I bloody well knew it - Brian Bagnell wants yet more time and more money

[BozzerBigD]

@LoadWB & Oldsmobile_Mike

Hilarious! And yet it's not really a comparison as Brian Bagnall has already delivered good books and is a reputable author. Viva Amiga is a delayed documentary of questionable quality compared to Bedrooms to Billions: The Amiga Years produced by Zach Weddington!! Who is Zach Weddington you ask?

Ref: http://www.generationamiga.com/2016/12/28/interview-with-zach-weddington/

Zach Weddington has a well-established background as a professional video maker. VIVA Amiga is his first documentary film...

There lies the problem.... he was an unproven documentary creator. Brian is a proven author who can deliver a quality product.

[Iggy]

Atari were too big and corporate & not really "rockstar" types. Bil Herd and Dave Haynie are responsible for most of the commodore stories. If you are a reporter, you'll go after the people who are easy to find and want to talk.



It was only really at the Amiga 30th anniversary when people and hardware came out of the woodwork. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKcMFoRsN4, more and more people coming forward is a huge problem for Brian.

Apple have done ok https://www.folklore.org/, but I'm sure there are plenty of other stories from there.

"Bil Herd and Dave Haynie" as "rockstar(s)".
OMFG! That IS hilarious. And yet you want to dismiss Atari, which is where the primary designer for the Amiga originally worked.

Frankly, I'm SO damned tired of hearing about these two.
Herd, the guy that grafted a Z-80 to the C64, and gave birth to the C128.
And Haynie, the "I did it single handedly (even if most of it never saw the light of day)", guy.

YOUR heroes, not mine.

[LoadWB]

Well, at least I was hooked off the stage

[BozzerBigD]

Well, at least I was hooked off the stage

Wacka wacka!

[psxphill]

"Bil Herd and Dave Haynie" as "rockstar(s)".
OMFG! That IS hilarious. And yet you want to dismiss Atari, which is where the primary designer for the Amiga originally worked.

Frankly, I'm SO damned tired of hearing about these two.
Herd, the guy that grafted a Z-80 to the C64, and gave birth to the C128.
And Haynie, the "I did it single handedly (even if most of it never saw the light of day)", guy.

YOUR heroes, not mine.

Your anger made you miss the point of my post entirely.

Also, I didn't dismiss Atari. Jay Miner worked at many companies before starting Amiga. Bringing all of silicon valley into the book would be unpractical.

Jay gets a lot of credit, but the Atari VCS and Atari 8 bit were designed by Cyan engineering. The Amiga was mostly designed by people that Jay hired.

[BuBBoB]

Many apologies, I didn't realise I had broken the site rules. I have re-editied my post to remove profanity and threatening lanquage.

"What a croc of excrement! I get half the book I paid for years later  than promised. I paid for the Commodore The Amiga years not from year x  to year y.

Bagnal is a schmuck. "

[psxphill]

"What a croc of excrement! I get half the book I paid for years later  than promised. I paid for the Commodore The Amiga years not from year x  to year y.

Bagnal is a schmuck. "

AFAICT You're getting all the years, it's just only some of them are going to be printed and the rest will be an ebook & the printed book will have more pages than you paid for.

I don't get why anyone is angry at all. You're blaming Brians because he has found more to write about. It's like you want him to not write the book that you paid him to do.

[psxphill]

AFAICT You're getting all the years, it's just only some of them are going to be printed and the rest will be an ebook & the printed book will have more pages than you paid for.

I don't get why anyone is angry at all. You're blaming Brians because he has found more to write about. It's like you want him to not write the book that you paid him to do.

Amazon have resurrected the book.....

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0994031025/ref=em_si_text

"This title will be released on June 1, 2017.
Pre-order now."

[tasmanian guy]

Should be called Commodore: Half of the Amiga Years.... the rest is a DLC

[psxphill]

Should be called Commodore: Half of the Amiga Years.... the rest is a DLC

It's double the number of pages than originally promised. Brian should have made sure that only enough history happened to fill 600 pages.

[tasmanian guy]

Well let Brian say this in his own words:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1462758959/commodore-the-amiga-years-book/posts/1813447

"Just now, at 11:51 pm, I finished the last of the actual writing for Commodore: The Amiga Years. In other words, there is now a complete book that can be read from start (1982) to end (1994) telling the complete Commodore-Amiga story." and

"The next milestone is a release of the full Kickstarter edition of this book--probably in the 850 to 900 page range...."

As a higher tier backer I just wanted one book to tell the story of Commodore: The Amiga Years.  Looks like he finished it, was going to be available to Kickstarters as a book in the 850-900 range, but instead decided to profit further by releasing the book in two parts.

Once again in Brian's words https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1462758959/commodore-the-amiga-years-book/posts/1888987

"The Amiga Years is currently at 567 pages after the split, and will have to be reduced to a little over 500 pages due to front material, table of contents, index and other things. Ill need to cut around 1-2 pages per chapter in order to make that goal."

So he finished the complete story (in his words) in 850 to 900 words, then decided to split the book in two (at around 500 pages each) so he could sell the other half to us

[BuBBoB]

I have gone from being really excited about this project to openly hating Bagnell and all he stands for. All it has taken is several years of waiting and many broken promises. I have become so stressed out over this now that I wish I had never heard of The Amiga Years or Bagnell. What pleasure is left now, half the book I paid for with the promise of the complete story if I pay more? Will the final part ever be completed even? Do I still want to trust this man, at best he has mislead us, at worst he has openly lied about so much. If I could get my money back I would but I have to accept that is a lost cause.
I say don't trust Bagnell any longer, he is a liar who cannot be trusted. Assume the worst and hope for the best. If the books are finished within several years I will be pleasently suprised.

[BozzerBigD]

@BuBBob
It's just a book :-)

Cheer up at least we know he's written books in the past! Viva Amiga was the guys first documentary ... ever!!!

[LoadWB]

Openly hating the guy??  Holy cow... did he put babies on spikes?  I'd say this transgression of his is minor in comparison to the many failed projects on KS.  At least he's trying to produce something.

[BuBBoB]

By the way, I am still waiting for my "Commodore - The Amiga years" book or as it is now to be named "Commodore - Half of the Amiga years"  from Brian !*##*!! Bagnall. The man is a suppurating turd of the highest order

Note: My last post was in May so I have been patient.

[LoadWB]

...I have been patient.

And acting like a petulant child.