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Offline tasmanian guy

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I'm getting my lawyer too... might actually start a gofundme page to get the book I paid for.  If he wrote the book over 1,000 pages when he knew he needed it to be only 500 odd pages, there's a simple solution.  Reduce the spacing in between the lines and/or reduce the font size.  He could also do a search on "that", "which" and remove them as they are often not required.  He could also reduce the number of pages required by replacing Commodore with just the chicken head symbol and instead of writing Amiga it could be shortened to Miga, even.

Seriously this guy needs to write succinctly anyway... he knew what the Kickstarter was for, he would be seriously penalised if he wrote a 4000 word essay and the requirement was to only write a 2000 word essay.  He would have failed at university!  I guess he has all of our money now and thinks he can do whatever he wants.  Write the book like he said he would, a complete book, not half a book and if you can't fit it in, make the spacing in between the lines smaller and or the font size smaller and take some of these other serious suggestions on board!
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Jesus %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing Christ guys. Get over yourselves. It a wonder anyone does anything Amiga related with the bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! that goes on. Get over yourselves you worthless pieces of %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!.
 

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Nice tolerant response. Is it unreasonable to get the book I paid for or my money back?
 

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Nice tolerant response. Is it unreasonable to get the book I paid for or my money back?


Have you asked for your money back having explained to him what you have explained to us in this thread? I'm sure he doesn't want to upset people deliberately. I do know how you feel though as a similar situation happened to me. I just went with the flow though because Kickstarter isn't risk free and I don't expect perfection from anything never mind Kickstarter projects.
 

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Jesus %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing Christ guys. Get over yourselves. It a wonder anyone does anything Amiga related with the bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! that goes on. Get over yourselves you worthless pieces of %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!.


Those famous Aussie manners! :lol:
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Those famous Aussie manners! :lol:


you need to watch "Dash Cam Owners Australia" on Facebook.  You will get "Aussie Manners" and then some :)

Like Motorbike riders who are weaving in and out of traffic and wonder why a car changes lanes without seeing him..., Pulls over and the driver comes to check on him, so what does the rider say "WTF Dumb C......".

Worth a giggle and you learn plenty of Aussie slang.  Anyway we return you to regular advertised bitching about kickstarter's :)
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Jesus %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing Christ guys. Get over yourselves. It a wonder anyone does anything Amiga related with the bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! that goes on. Get over yourselves you worthless pieces of %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!.


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BTW I'm from f*!%€ng finland and feel the same. Fully sustaining aussie manners. ;)
 

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I'm in agreement (although the language is a bit fruity ;-)). Give Bagnall a break. It's not as if he isn't a proven writer. I love On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore and although it was been proven to be factually inaccurate in places it's only because of Brian's continued research that we are even aware that this 2006 book had some blind spots! It's not as if there is any one else in the computer press that actually knows what happened at Commodore (or seems to care these days). This needs to be catalogued for prosperity and for when people decide to stop blowing smoke rings up Apple's bottom! Split the book, reassess the printing costs and send us the bill for the difference if need be on the second kickstarter. Brian better make the stretch goal presents flipping amazing though ;-)
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While I'm not surprised that this Kickstarter hasn't gone as presented, I think having more books is a good thing. Commodore and their computers have been largely ignored by the mainstream press when it comes to outlining the history of personal computers. So I think supporting someone who is willing to write about Commodore only helps us in the end.

I think when dealing with Kickstarter projects (and other similar ventures) you have to assume that the timeline will be wrong and just be happy the promised product actually ships.

Brian has proven he can deliver on writing a book even it is seems to be at a glacial pace.

Look at it this way, it could be worse, we could be in the Atari camp. Nobody seems to be willing to write or film the history of their computer line (which is sad, I would like to know more).


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Look at it this way, it could be worse, we could be in the Atari camp.  Nobody seems to be willing to write or film the history of their  computer line (which is sad, I would like to know more).

There  is lots of cross over between Atari/Commodore. Firstly, from the fact  that Jack Tramiel headed up the Atari ST development after being kicked  out of C=. Secondly, Jay Miner designed the Atari 400 and 800 before the  Lorraine/Amiga. There is no Amiga story without passing reference to  these machines. As to the details of Atari development outside of the  games/coin up machines I couldn't really care less. The story of the  development of Star Raiders for the 400/800 would be more interesting as  the Amiga 1000 was Jay Miner's crowning achievement not Atari  chips/consoles. Also, the Atari ST (and I speak as an ex-owner) was an  Amiga 500 without the amazing custom chips but with MIDI built in. Now  again, unless you want the story of White Town - 'Your Woman' and Atari STs being used in music production I'm not sure the rest of the story is worth telling.
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Those famous Aussie manners! :lol:

You really need to give this guy a watch.  ;)

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Jesus don't mention Atari to Bagnell, he will extend the book to include that bloody story too....
 

Offline paul1981

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You really need to give this guy a watch.  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBKXG4LTaEE

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I watched this and then the one with the cat stuck in the pipe. Why are bad things so bloody funny? :kitty:
 

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There  is lots of cross over between Atari/Commodore. Firstly, from the fact  that Jack Tramiel headed up the Atari ST development after being kicked  out of C=. Secondly, Jay Miner designed the Atari 400 and 800 before the  Lorraine/Amiga. There is no Amiga story without passing reference to  these machines. As to the details of Atari development outside of the  games/coin up machines I couldn't really care less. The story of the  development of Star Raiders for the 400/800 would be more interesting as  the Amiga 1000 was Jay Miner's crowning achievement not Atari  chips/consoles. Also, the Atari ST (and I speak as an ex-owner) was an  Amiga 500 without the amazing custom chips but with MIDI built in. Now  again, unless you want the story of White Town - 'Your Woman' and Atari STs being used in music production I'm not sure the rest of the story is worth telling.


I’m sorry but I think that is very short sighted of you. I think there is much more to the Atari story than has been told and I’m sure the passionate fans in the Atari community would love to have the same flood of books, videos, and documentaries that Commodore fans have enjoyed these past few years.

I have found the books, videos, and documentaries to be a wealth of interest and information. It dispelled decades of rumors and conjecture with facts and timelines. Yet, it went more than that for I think many fans. It gave a sense of the day to day operations at Commodore, put faces to projects and transformed simple names to real people. You understood some of the decisions and began to feel the frustration the employees felt at Commodore.

Atari was an important part of the personal computer revolution (just as Commodore was) but both have been largely ignored by the main stream press. These companies put a lot of computers in the hands of people who went on to help define technology today. Telling their story is important for not just the history of the personal computer but for people.

I think it is a shame that most of the Atari history revolves around the 2600. Racing the Beam, Business is fun, and Once upon Atari all gave great insight into early Atari but I think there are many more stories to share. I have even asked Chris Crawford to write about his experiences at Atari and the computer gaming business in general.

Lastly, many of the people who worked at these companies are no longer with us and those who did are getting older. I would hate to see people in the future read a paragraph like yours and assume it is accurate reflection of history.

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I want my money back WITH INTEREST!!  Enough BS.
 
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I want my money back WITH INTEREST!!  Enough BS.
 
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