Vampire 2 PPC & Morphos

[Honkybear]

Please excuse my ignorance.

But is the Vampire 2 Card Capable or Could it be made Capable
of running OS 4 or Morphos.

Thanks

[wawrzon]

no.

[Iggy]

Please excuse my ignorance.

But is the Vampire 2 Card Capable or Could it be made Capable
of running OS 4 or Morphos.

Thanks

No, even when present in legacy systems, neither MorphOS or OS4 use the 68K cpu, running solely on the PPC cpu.
So installing both a Vampire2 and a PPC is kind of pointless, unless you are dual booting.

[Jose]

No/Yes.
No to your first question, yes to the second. But as of now the developers are not interested in making that happen. I think it would be great, others think it would be horrible:)

[tlosm]

No/Yes.
No to your first question, yes to the second. But as of now the developers are not interested in making that happen. I think it would be great, others think it would be horrible:)

I have an amigaone x5000 and for me will be wonderful have a ppc inside my lovly amiga 500 why not a vampire ppc i think performance will be not bad with  this new fpga

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

i think performance will be not bad with  this new fpga

Does the FPGA have the capacity to emulate a PPC?

[Iggy]

No/Yes.
No to your first question, yes to the second. But as of now the developers are not interested in making that happen. I think it would be great, others think it would be horrible:)

I don't think Gunnar is too keen on the idea either.
But adding a cheap PPC, or a second device/card with a PPC would allow the use of NG OS'.

What would be nice is if someone devised a way to run both cpus simultaneously.

[Honkybear]

Does the FPGA have the capacity to emulate a PPC?

And this was pretty much my point. Was not so much does it but if it was capable or have the potential.

[IanP]

Performance of a PPC core on a low end FPGA would be poor and a waste of resources when you can easily buy a more powerful PPC instead of spending money on an FPGA. Also the Apollo team have no interest in PPC or any RISC architecture. RISC CPUs were conceived to simplify the development of new CPUs with higher clock rates compensating for the relative lack of performance compared to similarly clocked CISC processors. At that time the tools for design CPUs were very limited and the costs were very high. So Motorola thought it made sense to join a partnership to develop a RISC architecture to go up against x86 instead of trying to push there 680x0 chips to higher complexity and speeds. RISC lost the desktop computer war and PPC missed out on the "CPU/MCU/SoC of things" to ARM. The Apollo team like the 680x0 architecture and are fully focused on developing the Apollo core and accelerators/sytems based on that core so there is no chance of them ever doing a PPC core "Vampire".

[wawrzon]

i new it. there is a simple one word answer to the question but people will nevetheless fill this thread with endless phantasizing about a possible ppc in fpga, no matter that it would not help anything, because mos and os4 would have to be explicitely ported to that combination of hardware, which is another "no" everybody has forgotten to ask about.

[wawrzon]

And this was pretty much my point. Was not so much does it but if it was capable or have the potential.

what for? ppc cpus are still available.

[nicholas]

I don't think Gunnar is too keen on the idea either.
But adding a cheap PPC, or a second device/card with a PPC would allow the use of NG OS'.

What would be nice is if someone devised a way to run both cpus simultaneously.

http://powerup.amigaworld.de/download.php?id=44

[Rob]

i new it. there is a simple one word answer to the question but people will nevetheless fill this thread with endless phantasizing about a possible ppc in fpga, no matter that it would not help anything, because mos and os4 would have to be explicitely ported to that combination of hardware, which is another "no" everybody has forgotten to ask about.

If put you a whole PowerUP card on an FPGA then OS4.x and older versions of MorphOS would run on it.  Still agree that it would be a waste of time and resources.

[wawrzon]

If put you a whole PowerUP card on an FPGA then OS4.x and older versions of MorphOS would run on it.

im not so sure. there is apparently so much trouble to properly configure winuae to even run os4 that one needs either multiple pages of manual or a special application to get it right. who knows all the quirks and how such "fake" hardware would behave. what concerns morphos i have never got it to run on my apparently perfectly supported setup.

and now, what the point of this whole discussion if a sloution even if possible would only prove one point, namely that it was too complecated and unnecessary.

what strikes me about a number of posters on amiga-like sites, is that they have some fraudian problem. they dont accept what is availeble for them. they demand the impossible. as example they want amiga os on x86, but they dont want aros, which is what it could effectivly be, best case. or they dont want to run os4 on dedicated hardware, they want to run it on something completely inappropriate.

[zylesea]

If put you a whole PowerUP card on an FPGA then OS4.x and older versions of MorphOS would run on it.  Still agree that it would be a waste of time and resources.

.. or grab an old G4 Mac from the garbage retail shop aka ebay for less than peanuts and install a current version of MorphOS on it. Maybe not as freaky as on a 80ies computer pimped with an FPGA, but way cheaper, straight forward and more powerful.

I really like Vampire and am considering to equip my A600 with one, but definitely not for MorphOS when there are actually fast machines available (which cost quite less than the very nice and fair priced Vampires).