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Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« on: March 03, 2004, 05:24:58 PM »
Hello
Gemesis and Apollo had announced 2 different process for creating low cost diamonds.
One of the possible application is high speed, high temperature CPU.
NTT (Japan) plan to create 200 GHz Diamond CPU.
Is this technology real or hoax?
Will diamond replace ordinary silicon chips?
What about the price, power consumption, cooling etc?

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Re: Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2004, 06:35:24 PM »
I've read about this a few times in the last couple years in semiconductor trade magazines, there may be a couple old articles to search for on slashdot as well. The idea is that no other known material has better thermal characteristics as are concerned with semiconductor usage. It withstands high temperatures very well, and conducts heat very well, so would hold up better when really hot, and would also be better at transferring heat into a heatsink than current silicon materials. The original problem with using diamond was the difficulty in getting large enough pieces to fab in enough quantities to be worth the trouble.

Then come along a couple companies working on making synthetic diamond of high quality. I saw a documentary a while back that two companies, perhaps those named in the original post but perhaps someone else, I don't remember, who apparently are getting quite good at making high quality synthetic diamonds. The documentary I saw talked of one company making yellow diamonds, and the other making the clear/colorless kind. One or the other can make them rather large if they want too, which would be great for creating wafers and processing chips in the fab very similarly to how it happens now. The other one I don't remember if they were able to make something big enough to create a wafer or if it was smaller scale stuff, but that may have changed since the documentary was filmed anyway.

So from the sounds of things, it's certainly approaching the realm of real possibility to actually happen, rather than just academic talk.

Now, the hitch. Debeers (sp??) and friends in the cartel business, ahem, in the jewelry industry really really do not like the idea of synthetic diamonds of this quality being this easy to make. They SERIOUSLY do not like this. They've sponsored test equipment to check diamonds to see if they are real or synthetic in an attempt to keep the "fakes" out of jewelry stores, even if they can be made cheaper than natural stones as priced by the cartel. The best test results so far are that the synthetics are "too perfect". There's no natural flaw that is unique in each natural stone, which actually sounds good for use un semiconductors. But expect the cartel to work very hard at shutting the synthetic producers down, as it sounds they are very afraid. And that would be bad for the semiconductor industry's technology improvements.
 

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Re: Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2004, 07:18:25 PM »
amigabill is right on target here. Diamonds can be used as semi-conductors, with a little doping. They also have the best heat conduction property of any material known to man, so heat would be able to be sucked out of the cpu a lot quicker. And DeBeers is still holding the diamond industry by the throat, being a rich and very powerful company with many connections.

But creating diamonds still takes a lot of resources and energy. Creating silicon wafers is amazingly heavy on the environment, and diamonds would be even heavier still. It might be the electronics technology of the next fifty years though, keep a look out.
 

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Re: Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2004, 09:37:12 PM »
I recall, Carbon and Silicon belongs to element Group IV (Sub-Group IVb).
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Re: Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2004, 10:27:53 PM »
I thought the ultimate goal was to generate carbon nanotubes in spacific patterns (anyone remember bucky-balls?)... Thus surrounding a single atom width of gold wire in a carbon insulator. The smallest insulated wire possible.

Yes, the result would be the development of a material stronger and harder than diamond, cheaply. Imagine engines built from this material! Light, nearly indestructable, compression ratios out the yin-yang!

Carbon atom manipulation research is far too important to allow diamond cartels to dictate how we use it.
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Re: Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2004, 12:14:53 AM »
@amigabill
 
Concerning those two companies you mention:
One was making yellow diamonds for the jewelry industry
only. Yellow was apparently the easiest to produce while at
the same time happening to be rare in nature (and thus
expensive for jewelry). They produce their diamonds by a
high-pressure procedure (which has just recently turned
effective enough to be worthwhile). Their synthetic diamonds
are the first that can be comparable with a real one in
quality, and which experts cannot differentiate from natural
diamonds - the only thing is that they are flawless.
 
The other company used another technique; they essentially
begin with a microscopic base diamond and them let carbon
"steam" (don't ask me for details) cohere to this original,
forming a perfect carbon lattice - a diamond. It takes
several weeks to grow, but it works. The cool thing is that
in the future, they plan to be able to coat any
original item with a layer of diamond. Imagine cables,
machine parts, not to mention glass windows, covered in a
layer of diamond! Pretty impressive opportunities open up.
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Re: Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2004, 12:55:41 AM »
You've got it backwards; see the article everyone presumably got this from:  http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html

The vapor-dep guys produce a flawless crystal, while the Russian-originated technique leaves some sort of detectable seed (but got running first, and ironically produces a 'rarer' rock -- since the process is presumably less efficient if the vapor dep scales as it's said to)...

Further amusingly, I just read a quote from Intel somewhere (removed from this context, and the vapor-dep group's tale of being shot down when pitching to same) to the effect of 'we've always been using silicon, semiconductors will always be based on silicon in the foreseeable future.'  I'll see if I can track that down.
 

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Re: Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2004, 01:10:17 AM »
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Floid wrote:
Further amusingly, I just read a quote from Intel somewhere (removed from this context, and the vapor-dep group's tale of being shot down when pitching to same) to the effect of 'we've always been using silicon, semiconductors will always be based on silicon in the foreseeable future.'


Sounds like, "640K is enough for anyone."
 

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Re: Gemesis: 200 GHz Diamond CPU
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2004, 01:32:25 AM »
Yep.  Ignore that 'just,' though, since I can't seem to track it down.  I could swear it popped up on one of Ars, TheReg, or TheInq within the past 6 months.