AGA 4000 and games issue

[bigwall68]

I have just added an AGA 4000 to my amiga and classic workbench is perfect however Super Frog and Ruff/Tumble will not render on my Syncmaster monitor.  I've flashed the card.  

My 1200 with the Mk2 scan doubler worked fine.

Any advice?

[Matt_H]

Does the monitor support 50Hz? Do other PAL display modes work? The Indivision has additional circuitry to bump 50Hz PAL modes up to 60Hz to be displayable on pretty much any monitor. Older scandoublers don't do that since they were designed with CRTs in mind, which handle 50Hz no problem.

Other possibility: do you have an RTG card? CGX (and I assume P96 as well) has an option to automatically enable 56KHz Paula audio modes through some chipset tweaks. I've found that this setting messes with scandoubled video modes. Turn it off.

[bigwall68]

Thanks for responding.  No RTG card. Currently classic workbench is running on PAL:Super-High Res Laced.  Looks ok.  

A4000 cards: AGA 4000, BigRamPlus, X-Surf 100, CF card reader

I also plugged it into a older 15" monitor.  Same effect.  Essentially whats happening is the monitor says Not Optimum Mode and stops any rendering.

[Matt_H]

Make sure DblPAL, DBlNTSC, and VGAOnly are not in Devs:Monitors. In fact, make sure all you have in there is NTSC and PAL. Something could be amiss with mode promotion and disabling those modes will prevent that.

[bigwall68]

Thank you.  

Looks like now it's only Ruff N Tumble, my fav of favs, isn't working.  Maybe incompatiblity with 68040?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Thank you.  

Looks like now it's only Ruff N Tumble, my fav of favs, isn't working.  Maybe incompatiblity with 68040?

Are you using WHDLoad or booting from floppy? (if the former, you might want to check your tooltypes)

Did the games work correctly before you installed the Indivision?

[bigwall68]

WHDLoad.  My dilemma is that i do not have the VGA adapter so dependent on the Indivision.  

They did previously with my A1200 and the AGA Mk2.  I know not much help.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

So what you're saying is, you don't know if they ever worked correctly on the A4000, yes? (in which case the addition of the Indivision is irrelevant to your problem).

If that's the case, you might want to check this list for any tooltype changes you may have to do:

http://www.whdload.de/docs/en/opt.html

Obviously your A1200 and A4000 have very different hardware architectures so you may need to specify different options to get the software to run. I've had to make similar changes on my systems (going from 68000 to 68010 to 68030 to 040, 060, etc.) it's not uncommon.

Good luck!

[bigwall68]

Thank you.  Great community!

[BozzerBigD]

@Oldsmobile_Mike

Yeah, I never got games like ThemePark and Logical to work on a 060 for example. The 030 is far more forgiving for standard games. Saying that DrawSudio 2 (vector graphics program) was also a problem on 060 probably due to FPU programming expecting a 68881/68882? I'll have to give TFX a go on a 060.

[bigwall68]

Looks like switching to PAL via jumper worked!!!  

Now the challenge of cdrom to 3.9.

[paul1981]

@Oldsmobile_Mike

Yeah, I never got games like ThemePark and Logical to work on a 060 for example. The 030 is far more forgiving for standard games. Saying that DrawSudio 2 (vector graphics program) was also a problem on 060 probably due to FPU programming expecting a 68881/68882? I'll have to give TFX a go on a 060.

Every single WHDLoad slave I have encountered works on my A1200/060.  Themepark is a known dodgy slave that has issues with every computer configuration it tries to run on (saving issues and other weird things). Whether this has been fixed yet I don't know, I haven't checked in a couple of years.

DrawStudio 2 Lite was on a CUCD and it works fine on 060. TFX works fine on 060. An 060 runs everything I've thrown at it whether it be WHDLoad or application software. 060 incompatibility is a myth - I have yet to experience it.

[BozzerBigD]

DrawStudio 2 (FPU version) is dog slow on my 060 and is very unstable. I can't click on the font icon without multiple graphics artifacts and an eventual crash. It's sad because it used to be one of my favourites :-( I can still use it on the 030 though :-)

[BozzerBigD]

Every single WHDLoad slave I have encountered works on my A1200/060.  Themepark is a known dodgy slave that has issues with every computer configuration it tries to run on (saving issues and other weird things). Whether this has been fixed yet I don't know, I haven't checked in a couple of years.

DrawStudio 2 Lite was on a CUCD and it works fine on 060. TFX works fine on 060. An 060 runs everything I've thrown at it whether it be WHDLoad or application software. 060 incompatibility is a myth - I have yet to experience it.

DrawStudio 2 works a lot better in 24-bit page buffer mode with a Picasso IV screenmode on a 060! There is still some graphical artifacts at the top of the screen similar to what I used to get with Pagestream2 (until the page is scrolled/refreshed) but the program is now very usable. Well worth a second look :-)

Which version of TFX do you run with the 060? I've heard the 040 and FPU versions are buggy. The FPU version worked fine with my 030 system though. The following months issue of CU Amiga in 1997 after the games was put on the Cover Disc supposedly provided a less buggy 040 version on the CD but I've never tested it!

[paul1981]

DrawStudio 2 works a lot better in 24-bit page buffer mode with a Picasso IV screenmode on a 060! There is still some graphical artifacts at the top of the screen similar to what I used to get with Pagestream2 (until the page is scrolled/refreshed) but the program is now very usable. Well worth a second look :-)

Which version of TFX do you run with the 060? I've heard the 040 and FPU versions are buggy. The FPU version worked fine with my 030 system though. The following months issue of CU Amiga in 1997 after the games was put on the Cover Disc supposedly provided a less buggy 040 version on the CD but I've never tested it!

TFX I got from the EAB file server. There's three TFX icons, 020, FPU and patch. The patch one is for emulation and doesn't work (it's for WinUAE), but the two others do. The 020 one is quicker than the FPU one on my system.