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Offline OlafS3

Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #74 from previous page: February 20, 2017, 02:54:48 PM »
from here (Amiwest):
https://oldschoolgameblog.com/2016/10/08/amiwest-2016-tabor-price-announced/

"Trevor, chief of A-EON Technology,  just announced that the upcoming Tabor motherboard will be sold for  around 400 EURO. Not bad! This will surely bring many into the AmigaOS 4  fold."
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #75 on: February 20, 2017, 02:59:27 PM »
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propably price only for board, not for full system


thats at least what has been communicated. and that at a loss. according to announcement the production costs shall be covered by software sales. given that the board appears to need dedicated software to be attractive i wonder how thats going to work.
 

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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2017, 03:04:11 PM »
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thats at least what has been communicated. and that at a loss. according to announcement the production costs shall be covered by software sales. given that the board appears to need dedicated software to be attractive i wonder how thats going to work.

I do not understand that too. I personal would have neither developed X5000 nor Tabor. It is a financial risky bet. On the other hand... not my money in fire
 

Offline Rob

Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2017, 05:03:52 PM »
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Although seemingly contrary to a lot of peoples opinion, the non standard fpu is actually attractive to me. Makes the hardware a little different and interesting. No Amiga/AmigaOne hardware can come close to competing with mainstream hardware anyway, so at least the spes of Tabor make it interesting to see what you can squeeze from it. Having said that though, this is from the perspective of someone who can compile his own binaries.

If I wanted more typical hardware I would, and do use an x86 machine. From a pure "for fun" perspective Tabor is the most interesting OS4 hardware available for my tastes.

I just hope the quoted 400 euro is for a full system and not just the mobo. A Raspberry Pi, with Neon offers the same sort of fun for me as Tabors CPU, and I'm only willing to add a limited premium (still 10* or thereabouts mind you) to have that fun on AmigaOS.


You could offer to do SPE compiles of software already ported to OS4.x for small bounties and get the Tabor to pay for itself over time.
 

Offline Rob

Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2017, 05:18:36 PM »
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thats at least what has been communicated. and that at a loss. according to announcement the production costs shall be covered by software sales. given that the board appears to need dedicated software to be attractive i wonder how thats going to work.


Trevor said he hopes to sell at cost, not loss.  He also said it depends on the agreement of Matthew.  I think realistically there has to be some amount of profit otherwise dealers might not be too keen to stock it.
 

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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2017, 06:29:31 PM »
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I think realistically there has to be some amount of profit otherwise dealers might not be too keen to stock it.


The issue cuts much deeper than that.

By pleading the case that products are developed without profitability in mind, the Amiga market continues to be cast as a charity with limited prospects.

It also convinces buyers that products don't have to be commercial grade because the intentions are good and the resources simply aren't there.

No one is cross-shopping the A1222 with mainstream hardware thinking that $25 less per unit is going to make it the better choice. Even a profit of $25 per board @ 1000 units would help subsidize continued development and support efforts.

This whole "hobbyist market" mentality doesn't help anyone.
 

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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2017, 06:46:51 PM »
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I do not understand that too. I personal would have neither developed X5000 nor Tabor. It is a financial risky bet. On the other hand... not my money in fire


Except money invested in hardware development can generally be recouped or worst case, written off as a material loss.

On the other hand, software in this market always seems to require an extensive budget and protracted timetable, with new releases coinciding with leap years.

If OS support was delivered when the Tabor was announced it might have made sense - in October 2015.

We're now looking a period of up to 2 years for it to materialize. And that means more "stick with the PPC" mentality, long after the shelf life of that processor expired.
 

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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #81 on: February 24, 2017, 05:13:39 PM »
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Although seemingly contrary to a lot of peoples opinion, the non standard fpu is actually attractive to me. Makes the hardware a little different and interesting. No Amiga/AmigaOne hardware can come close to competing with mainstream hardware anyway, so at least the spes of Tabor make it interesting to see what you can squeeze from it. Having said that though, this is from the perspective of someone who can compile his own binaries.

If I wanted more typical hardware I would, and do use an x86 machine. From a pure "for fun" perspective Tabor is the most interesting OS4 hardware available for my tastes.
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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #82 on: February 24, 2017, 05:32:18 PM »
I really shouldn't, but I think when these are available, I will pick one up.  I wanted one an x5000 or x1000, but they are a bit too costly for something I may not have the time to enjoy.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #83 on: February 24, 2017, 05:56:19 PM »
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...Having said that though, this is from the perspective of someone who can compile his own binaries.

If I wanted more typical hardware I would, and do use an x86 machine. From a pure "for fun" perspective Tabor is the most interesting OS4 hardware available for my tastes.


exactly.foem a prespective of somone able to compile their own binaries tabor might be as interesting as some other obscure microcontroller board. or as ammx extended 68k apollo fpga core.

only most of the people cheering os4 hardware seem not to be able to do that. well there is some small group engaged of this or that development. who knows, there might even be stll more of them than morphos or aros dedicated coders, even though their numbers will likely never exceed the crowd coding for genuine amiga in one or other manner. but it looks like the majority spends their time on forums waiting, demanding, dreaming of something, or most commonly trying to fix their trivially broken setups or hardware, putting their lack of knowledge of the system on display. i might be wrong, but i think, its those casual users, who need to be addressed, instead of piviledged knowledgable who anyway occupy the front of the bus for themselves. otherwise even those rest of actual public will leave at one of the next stops and one may find himself alone wit the driver.
 

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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2017, 03:29:44 PM »
Video: A1222 Tabor in Action (posted Feb 24, 2017).

[youtube]XPdr7MaGvLo[/youtube]


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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2017, 12:58:56 PM »
The videos are awful,  tearing all over the place.  Guess its cpu only
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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2017, 01:24:57 PM »
@JJ
The (non)existence of tearing provides zero hint whether something is rendered using GPU or CPU. It simply tells you if vertical sync was used or not.
And AFAIK there is no real 100% proper way on AOS4 to do true vsync in window mode.
The frames of the videos played in the video are certainly calculated using the CPU, simply because there's no interface to do the job on the GPU (yet).
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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #87 on: February 08, 2018, 04:07:49 AM »
Is the FPU of this SOC good for 3D Rendering?
edit:
Here is a video of the A1222.
It looks impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arlwhr80A_U
[youtube]Arlwhr80A_U[/youtube]
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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #88 on: February 08, 2018, 06:13:06 AM »
I guess I'd buy one if I could?
 

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Re: Who's getting the Tabor?
« Reply #89 on: February 08, 2018, 08:44:19 AM »
I buy for sure. But the waiting .... i am impatient
My wife think that i am a little bit crazy to wait so many years and still hoping for the short term, to get one
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