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GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« on: February 01, 2017, 02:54:20 AM »
To anyone who might know...  I purchased the card with a blown SMD capacitor, C52, near the 25 pin SCSI connector at the back of the card.  The accelerator works like a champ, but I have yet to exercise the SCSI feature on the card.  Wondering if anyone has the schematics for this card or knows the rating of that particular capacitor, as none of the SMD chip capacitors are marked.  It's a long shot, I know.  Just hoping...
 
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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 03:55:41 AM »
Hmmm... looks just like a decoupling capacitor for U52. Which appears to be some kind of multiplexer wired between the SCSI controller chip and the SCSI bus, so is probably involved with sorting out SCSI ID numbers and making sure they are decoded correctly.

The chip might actually function OK without it. Decoupling capacitors are USUALLY required by components just to give stable, ripple free power supplies, to the local chip the are closest too.

So, I guess using the same or a similar value on the card, for a similar sized component, makes sense.

If you go too low with the value, the chip won't work accurately, it will stutter and cut out. But if you only have one SCSI device connected to the external drive port, the 25 pin connector, it might not matter. If you are not using the external drive port to connect devices, it might not matter at all, because the chip it supports isn't actually ever used.

Maybe, that's how I read your situation.

http://www.bboah.com/download_photos/gforce030_3_big.jpg

That should be your card.

EDIT:

These SMD capacitors nearly always ARE marked, but you need VERY good optical magnidication to read them. Check picture. The example posted is a 100uF 6V type, which is plenty big enough for a teeny chip like that. Maybe too big, 100nF should be ample.
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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 05:13:07 AM »
Absolute on them not being marked.  I suppose I could de-solder one of the adjacent capacitors that are obviously serving in a decoupling role and check with the fluke for capacitance rating...  I know they are a "1210" form factor, just do not know the values.  
 
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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2017, 05:39:43 AM »
+1 looks like its filtering for IC U52 DM7407M.    Check what other similar ICs are using for filtering.   ie U28, U29, etc.

It may be good to check out the board under UV, just incase theres a fault somewhere else on the board as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qTOLBhlVs

(found this link which may or may not be exactly the same board with closeup pictures http://www.ebay.com/itm/GVP-68030-25mhz-accelerator-for-an-Amiga-2000-2000HD-2500-Not-Working-AS-IS-/272527223971)
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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 11:13:46 AM »
LOL... that is the one I bought...  Works fine, and think what Pat intimated to be true, that it could survive indefinitely without the capacitor, but it offends me to leave it "un-fixed".
 

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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 04:35:04 PM »
Quote from: darkage;821246
+1 looks like its filtering for IC U52 DM7407M.    Check what other similar ICs are using for filtering.   ie U28, U29, etc.

It may be good to check out the board under UV, just incase theres a fault somewhere else on the board as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0qTOLBhlVs

(found this link which may or may not be exactly the same board with closeup pictures http://www.ebay.com/itm/GVP-68030-25mhz-accelerator-for-an-Amiga-2000-2000HD-2500-Not-Working-AS-IS-/272527223971)

Very good point, enough illumination just as important as sufficiently good optics.

I think I can guess one reasaon why that other higher res GVP card from ebay ain't working, partly. Check the CPU. Wrong pins for that board. It's Japanese, not Motorola US. ;) Not pin compatible, I've been told.

I find a respectable level of mega pixel camera does wonders at infinite focus settings. But lighting has to hit at just right angle for reflection. :)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 05:58:47 PM by Pat the Cat »
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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2017, 05:50:19 PM »
I checked up on these little tykes, they are deceptive, but normally  very inactive. When in use they draw about 36W at full tilt, which is a  LOT for one chip... but "full tilt" vary rarely happens. It is a high  voltage driver chip, the National Semiconductor variety I think. How  much it draws depends on how long you whole SCSI chain is, and whether  it gets shorted out or whatever.

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/8311/NSC/DM7407M.html

This chip manages the load of  very long SCSI chains with external SCSI devices, which most people don't  use anyway. But it does require a nice big thick 100uF cap at least, I  reckon. Possibly more, in theory a balanced out, properly terminated  SCSI system should see it losing about 6W or so in regular use. The chip  can draw about 30V on 6 different gates, with a current change of about  200mA peak. But it lasts so little time with SCSI, it's "normally" just  a tiny click of cable select or similar. The earlier and slower your SCSI clock, the bigger the spike is, and the whole chain can only go at the speed of the slowest device typically. So it has to cater for the lowest common denominator of SCSI speed and distance up the cable run.

If you want to know the  maths of calculating an exact value for all possible lengths of SCSI  cable, it's a bit of a tough one for me. I hope your calculus and matrix  to use it is up to scratch. I'd just stick a big 100uF capacitor in  there, 6V, should be fine at C52.

http://www.mec.ita.br/~arfaria/MP206-ex1-answers.pdf
« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 05:57:25 PM by Pat the Cat »
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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2017, 12:51:51 AM »
Looking at the photos C52 looks like its only hooked up to VCC of that IC, separate from the high voltage independent gates.  You will need to trace back the tracks and confirm.

Normally 0.1uF is the standard value to smooth out ripples in the supply for IC's.

But yes it depends on noise frequency.  

Heres a good PDF that helps to explain it.  

http://www.ti.com/lit/an/scaa048/scaa048.pdf

Heres an interesting statement from Dave @ EEVBlog about picking decoupling cap values from the air.  

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/decoupling-capacitors-are-mysterious/msg91/?PHPSESSID=aa0347d6d019dabd54955486f5bf9265#msg91
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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2017, 01:27:26 AM »
So appreciate all the discussion.  It will be a week or two before I can validate but will let you all know how it pans out.  I am optimistic everything will be AOK.
 

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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2017, 02:59:50 AM »
when you replace cap.   monitor caps temp when its been powered on.    if it gets uncomfortability hot then there would be fault else where on the board.  

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Re: GVP Combo card A2000-030 EC ver 4
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 11:24:12 AM »
Hey,

Just to let everyone know... I got so deep into my SCSI2SD v6 that I set this card aside for a bit and just went with a SupraTurbo28. Just the other day, the gent who sold it to me advertised another one, fully working, on ebay, and it got me thinking again. I had already successfully replaced the decoupling cap (thanks again for all the advice). It really felt like a bad CPU, and I got my hands on a full (not EC) 030 40mHz. Darn thing boots right up and works like a champ now. Just thought I would share.

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