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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #419 on: February 13, 2017, 06:11:13 PM »
LUCKY BREAK ( 2nd IDE Drive in 486 PC Picked up by ISA/IDE Adapter)  ** Low-Tech Adapter Working with an Hard Drive. **



I got tired waiting for these Mini Image Dumps, so I thought I'd try the 2nd IDE Drive in that OLD 486.  It's only 250MB so thought maybe older IDE-2.

I hooked it up to IDE/ISA Adapter and it picked it up.

Now I got to try in the AMIGA Bridgeboard PC.

If it works, so will FLASH CARD  (( And I can do a Full Image Dump!! ))

If it doesn't, then  :( Again.
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #420 on: February 13, 2017, 07:32:11 PM »
I can't seem to get Two-In-A-Row lucky breaks.

The Lo-Tech ISA/IDE Adapter on first try DOES NOT work in the Amiga.

I tried (adisk) (fdisk) even (Norton DiskEdit - Physical Disk)

NO FIXED DRIVE FOUND!  (Weird, why wouldn't it work)


If I don't resolve this, then CF won't work, and thus back to FLOPPY Disk Image dump.

...and I am left with One Last and only HOPE (Low Level Format of the RLL Drive).

(The only last ditch effort I have is switch the Address Jumper on the Lo-Tech Adapter, but last time the Bridgeboard complained about Signals)

Darn!!
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #421 on: February 13, 2017, 07:45:21 PM »
NOPE, ISA/ESA Adapter BIO ROM Jumper setting change doesn't do anything.

This is getting to be too painful and time consuming, possible another disappointment on the horizon.

I have no more strength left do do 40 more Floppy disk Image Transfers.

Going to think about it a bit and I'll just LL-Format the RLL drive.
With my luck it won't work.

We'll see, my luck has flipped flopped during this whole thing.
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #422 on: February 14, 2017, 12:14:20 AM »
I did some more testing but no luck.  Tried to un-partition the Drive in case it needed to be partitioned on the AmigaPC.

As I prepared for a WD BIO Low-Level Format, an email came in from Steve Pierce of Lo-tech.

He asked for details which I sent so I'm waiting for his reply.

Holding of on format, and re-started Chunk Image Backups each time I have a moment to flip-flop disks.
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #423 on: February 14, 2017, 04:44:41 AM »
Quote from: darkage;822039
It might be more productive if you can provide less posts that are rich in straight to the point information.   I find it hard to follow this mega thread with what you have done and not, etc.  
You could probably create a book from the thread
:P

I couldn't resist :) ....( if any of you don't like this bad attempt at humor, just PM me, the image can be removed)

Wasting time waiting and flipping floppies.  4 or 5 more to go.
Then I try the Low Level Format..




I am stopping at the end of the First DOS partition for the IMAGE DUMP.

Too painfully slow when I had my mind on a single dump.

What if it doesn't work.  This way I'll be half disappointment or half happy.
I go the thesis, I have one image to attempt the hack recovery.

And maybe I can move forward on something more interesting like the Gotek or a working RLL Drive.
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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #424 on: February 14, 2017, 07:32:07 AM »
ALL DOS Image Dumps Done!!   Forget the Amiga Partition.

When I was reading up for the Format I came across the Jumper Setting of the WD Controller.


http://www.coleskingdom.com/files/WD1002.TXT

Playing with these might enable me to put the Controller into the 486 without it hanging due to Other Controller Conflict.  
(Wish I payed attention to this last time I read the manual...Should be in the Dummy Book)


Plus I don't really know what to put into these (two) the LL-Format parameters (rrr ppp).


Must read up before I destroy the Drive.
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #425 on: February 14, 2017, 10:08:44 AM »
Quote from: wbrejnia;822099
I couldn't resist :) ....( if any of you don't like this bad attempt at humor, just PM me, the image can be removed)

Wasting time waiting and flipping floppies.  4 or 5 more to go.


haha should really create an ebook and sell on Amazon :P  

lots of forgotten knowledge there.  

only 4 / 5 floppies, ha I use to go to a monthly computer meet, with my a500 and I would always have 100 to 200 blank floppies on hand.   would normally be 7pm until 1am at the meet.   didnt have a 2nd floppy drive, so lots of disk swapping.    

those were the days.
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #426 on: February 14, 2017, 03:34:00 PM »
YAY! I am on the Dummy Book! ^_^
Que viva el Amiga!
Long Life the Amiga!
Vive l\'Amiga!
Viva Amiga!
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #427 on: February 14, 2017, 03:49:10 PM »
I found this DOS Tool from SEAGATE called SEATOOLS. It performs various types of checking disk surface tests, including "acoustic" one! WOW!

It is capable to mark bad sectors, so then you can perform simply a Format on it.

http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/201271en

BTW!

Are you perfectly sure sectors are bad? I still believe that something mangled Table of Partitions making disk believe partition started outside its bounduaries.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 04:27:06 PM by Raffaele »
Que viva el Amiga!
Long Life the Amiga!
Vive l\'Amiga!
Viva Amiga!
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #428 on: February 14, 2017, 03:59:51 PM »
Infos on Old Hard Disk Formatting:

http://ftp://ftp.seagate.com/techsuppt/misc/drivetyp.txt


(This is very interesting as refers to internal controller CMOS that have various types HDDS definition it it and maybe CUSTOM Option also defining the one that users mounted. If you alter that value, you are unable to read partitions as if you entered valid but alien geometry parameters.
I remember I encountered such a problem once on a PC by a Peecee friend.)

What is inside a MBR:

http://www.cgsecurity.org/STDMBR.htm

Other infos:

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-39928.html


The Hard Drive Bible:

https://archive.org/stream/CSC_Hard_Drive_Bible_Edition_8_1996/CSC_Hard_Drive_Bible_Edition_8_1996_djvu.txt


Two great utilities: Disk technician and SpinRite!
Spinrite seems to be still active developed, or at least it was sometimes ago!


Disk Technician infos (check where to download it)

https://winworldpc.com/product/disk-technician-gold


SpinRite! I read of it. It is great software or so it seems!

https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm


And in the end, if any other system fails:

http://www.hirensbootcd.org/200-ways-to-revive-a-hard-drive/1/
« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 04:32:56 PM by Raffaele »
Que viva el Amiga!
Long Life the Amiga!
Vive l\'Amiga!
Viva Amiga!
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #429 on: February 14, 2017, 06:08:12 PM »
Raffaele,

One of those links was very useful. (This piece of info)

MFM (ST412 interface)  Finally, the MFM drives and their associated drive types are next.  If the internal drive type table lists the exact geometry, great. If  not, then check to see if a "Custom" or "User Definable" CMOS option  is available. Also, some AT 16-bit MFM controllers provide an  onboard BIOS which will allow the unique geometry of the drive to be  dynamically configured (our Seagate ST21M/22M MFM controllers have  this VALUABLE feature). Otherwise, a drive type match that is close  but not exceeding either the cylinder or head values is the only  choice left.  An exact match in the head count is definitely  preferred when getting a "close" match.

My WD controller HAS THAT DYNAMIC Option, but I don't really know what it means.  Can't hurt to try it.

I found this one guy formatting his ST-506 Drive which is the same ST type, but different Geometry.  He used this

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I modified the entry for drive #7 (unused) to match the ST-506 as follows:
9900 (153 cylinders)
04 (4 heads)
8000 (reduced write current starts at cyl 128)
8000 (WPC starts at cyl 128)

0B (ECC burst)
00 (step rate = 3 ms)
FF (drive-ready timeout)
FF (format timeout)
FF (general timeout)
00 (always 00)
00 (always 00)
00 (always 00)
00 (always 00)

I also had to modify an unused byte (near the end) to take the 8 bit checksum to 00.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think think my best guess is for my KL330 Otagan RLL Drive:

ccc = Total number of cylinder [ 615 ]
h = number of heads [ 4 ]
rrr = starting reduce write current cylinder [ 128 ]
ppp = write precomp cylinder [ 128 ]
ee = max correctable burst length, default=11bits [11 ]
o = step rate, range(0-7, default=5)  [3 ]

My case ANSWER TO BIO Dynamic Format Question:

615 4 128 128 11 3 (CR)


But the manual says the Controller BIO may include standard Drive Types.

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In    order to continue, you will need to know the parameters    of your          drive.  For your convenience, we have prepared a list of common hard       disk drives and their parameters.     By returning to the previous        menu, you may access the drive list.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think whatever I do won't damage drive.  I can try again till I get formatting write.  That's what people have done, when they know nothing about their HD.

Rafaelle, yes the Hard drive Sector 0-6 is unreadable where MBR is.
That is the problem.  If I try 10 times, I get a partial read.
When I write back, it works a bit but not stable enough to load Filesystem and activate a C: drive.

Low Level Format will fix that.
 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #430 on: February 14, 2017, 06:13:09 PM »
I AM NOT GOING TO MOVE (RLL Drive and controller to 486).  

What if I damage it, then I have nothing left for my AMIGA and AMIGA PC, since it appears that ISA/IDE Adapter won't work.

BTW. I have a great joke to play on my friend who lent me the 486.
I'll remove his two IDE drives.  Put in the ISA/Adapter with Flash card on ribbon cable.  Flash Card hidden.
I'll tell him I sold the two OLD drives on Ebay $500 each and he can have back the Empty Case with Motherboard.
But It will boot up, with all OS installed, faster than ever.
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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #431 on: February 14, 2017, 06:29:50 PM »
I AM READY TO FORMAT THE RLL DRIVE SAFELY
with best guess BIOS options


 

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #432 on: February 14, 2017, 09:12:39 PM »
FIRE EXTINGUISHER NOT NEEDED

Low Level FORMAT WORKED :)

I have a C: drive

Partitioned, and now fomatted with DOS installed:)
(Haven't tested C: drive boot yet) (Haven't created Amiga Partition with Adisk command yet)

DYNAMIC LL-Format method worked [No errors], but Drive was having Spotty Read Access doing FDISK.
 I did NON Dynamic.  And it worked better.

I NOTICE on FDISK (My DRIVE IS 1 CYLINDER LESS than before) so LL-Format De-allocated the 1-st Bad CYLINDER


For future reference this Thread gives all the details on RLL & MFM Drives and WD-Controller Parameters for LL-Format:

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-9484.html
What I also read in above is how HARD DRIVES store bad areas somewhere on the On-Board Controller.  Either in a special hidden area on disk, or in Eprom.
Thus the missing Cylinder!!

Right now I'm running some DOS DISK ANALYSIS tools that I couldn't use since I never had a C: drive.

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #433 on: February 14, 2017, 09:36:25 PM »
C: Drive Scans done.  (READ/WRITE) tests come back 100% clean.

Rebooted Amiga-PC without Floppy, but still wants Floppy for boot
??

Time to RE-READ the AMIGA Bridgeboard Manual and do all the setup steps.

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
:)  I have to admit, I am in very good Spirits at this point..  :)
:)  Even though I spent a few dollars on some extra parts.:)
:)  No big deal, I can sell them as a Retro kit of some sort..:)
:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

Onward!!

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Re: **Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)
« Reply #434 from previous page: February 15, 2017, 01:51:47 AM »
COULD THIS WORK? (If so, then Super!)

If I can jumper the WD controller to work side by side with the ISA/IDE-CF-Adapter, then I could possibly have a D: drive that is Compact Flash Driven.

This would make SW install's a breeze since I could Write to C-Flash and pop in whatever I need into the D: drive.

So the ISA/IDE adapter doesn't have to work as a recognized C: drive.
I'm hoping the Bridgeboard recognizes the ISA/IDE Adapter (AFTER getting the C: Drive into Bridgeboard BIOS/DOS)

I've contacted Steve Pierce from Lo-Tech, and my Adapter Seller from Ebay if this is possible.