**Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)

[wbrejnia]

68010. They're like $5 bucks on eBay. But your choice, lol. :lol:

I will eventually.
I was originally worried that some RARE bug might be introduced (which would drive me crazy), but from this write up it appears upgrade to 68010 is 100% harmless. http://www.amigareport.com/ar402/feature1.html

Is this the one I need (just to be sure)  MC68010P10

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/MOTOROLA-MC68010P10-CDIP-64-Microcontroller-Microprocessor-Chip-/272601508612?hash=item3f7850eb04:g:J7AAAOSwHMJYDknf

or even cheaper https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MC68010P10/32428831542.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.9.TfBqsq&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10130_10068_10139_10136_10137_10138_10060_10062_10141_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_129_10103_10102_10096_10148_10052_10053_10050_10107_10142_10051_10143_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10037_10032_10078_10079_10077_10073_10070_10123_10124,searchweb201603_6,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_default&btsid=023d2a15-0fad-4c79-94dc-0925b14d28a7&algo_expid=281f2954-64ec-432d-a240-10f8e71b72c0-1&algo_pvid=281f2954-64ec-432d-a240-10f8e71b72c0

[psxphill]

I was originally worried that some RARE bug might be introduced (which would drive me crazy), but from this write up it appears upgrade to 68010 is 100% harmless. http://www.amigareport.com/ar402/feature1.html

It's not harmless, there is software that fails on anything other than a 68000. However using WHDLoad should fix it anyway.

[wbrejnia]

It's not harmless, there is software that fails on anything other than a 68000. However using WHDLoad should fix it anyway.

Well if that is the case, then I'll will be putting in the 68010 at the very end.

(ie, Get everything working that I want working. Then see what breaks, if anything).
 For the two Kickstart ROMs I'll be playing with (I will have the ROM switcher, so easy flip-Check).

This whole thread would have been only a few posts, if it were not quirky bugs, adapters, Controller Cards, Library version mistmatches, so I'm sensitive to straying from the norm.

Especially since I'm not even close to finishing all SW/OS setups for the various things I wish running.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Is this the one I need (just to be sure)  MC68010P10

I'd get the one with the picture.  Maybe it's just a "feel good" thing, but if they send the wrong item at least I can point back to the picture as an obvious "you sent the wrong thing!" moment.  Also, from the item description, you're more likely to get it a little faster.

It's not harmless, there is software that fails on anything other than a 68000.

Anyone ever put together a list of this?  From what I remember it was only one badly written game from 1986 (Arctic Fox?) that failed.  There's also some software that fails on any version of Workbench newer than 1.1, but I'd suspect the likelihood of anyone running into any issues with that in 2017, especially with WHDLoad, would be pretty much slim to nil.  

Edit: Look at this funny thread I just googled up:  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/net.micro.amiga/g05c2-5Fumc/cbCDhoMv_xUJ

Dave Haynie posts from 1986, lol.

[wbrejnia]

Edit: Look at this funny thread I just googled up:  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/net.micro.amiga/g05c2-5Fumc/cbCDhoMv_xUJ

Dave Haynie posts from 1986, lol.

Funny discussion on Copy Protection that makes floppies go bad  Clever thinking (modifying source disk).  Must have been fun to crack.

[wbrejnia]

I'd get the one with the picture.  Maybe it's just a "feel good" thing, but if they send the wrong item at least I can point back to the picture as an obvious "you sent the wrong thing!" moment.  Also, from the item description, you're more likely to get it a little faster.

I ordered the cheap one.  
Hopefully it never arrives for a long, Long Time

(Funny story about a China Order from Oct 2016.  The part never arrived.  I complained a few weeks ago.  They send an express-ship replacement.  Both arrived a week apart).

[wbrejnia]

Ahead of Schedule (Installed GVP-A4000 HC+8 SCSI Controller HD)

I decided to Install the GVP SCSI Controller to make sure my purchase is in working order.

Swapped the Kickstart to OS3.1

I've never seen an Amiga Boot off a Hard Drive Ever before (Always been Floppy boots, or GOTEK)

Wow!  Super Fast.

All working on preliminary checks. (Hard drive and Extra Memory)



Should I be doing any performance tests?  

I know nothing aboutthe On Board FastMem vs the GVP DMA memory.  But all appears to be there.  I think?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I know nothing aboutthe On Board FastMem vs the GVP DMA memory.  But all appears to be there.  I think?

Yes, all there.  Looks good!  

I would still really recommend performing the mod to give yourself 1MB of chip ram, however.  (would leave you with 1MB chip and 8MB fast, which is about the most an unaccelerated, non-2MB Agnus-having, A2000 can support)

[psxphill]

Anyone ever put together a list of this?  From what I remember it was only one badly written game from 1986 (Arctic Fox?) that failed.

I don't think there is a comprehensive list in public. However programs like decigel existed and were supposedly needed.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-49210.html

"robo-ant
09-04-2009, 12:47 PM
I had a 68010 in my A1000 before I bought my A1200. Then i put the 68000 back.

The 68010 did give a small speed increase that was sometimes noticeable, but there was software that wouldn't run with that CPU. There was a patch on a Fish Disk (should be on Aminet now) that trapped the problematic MOVE SR,EA instruction (going totally from memory). Actually, I think there was more than one. I remember "DeciGEL" and maybe "SuperDeciGEL" and maybe somthing else.

That patches didn't work with games on custom boot disks, of course. IIRC, Shadow of the Beast was one of the games that wouldn't run with the 68010."

http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-57838.html

"robo-ant
05-23-2011, 09:57 PM
I had a 68010 in my A1000. There was a small speed difference. Rendering scenes in Turbo Silver I think the difference was only about 4-5%, but there were some demos that ran jerkily with the 68000 and smoothly with the 68010 so the difference was noticeable sometimes. There would have been more benefit from some actual fast RAM (I did the piggyback hack to put my A1K to 1MB), and the combination of fast RAM with the 68010 could have been better again, because IIRC, with the 68010 it was possible to move the VBR to fast RAM.

There were several games that wouldn't run on my A1000 but sometimes it was because of the 68010 and sometimes the weird RAM expansion. I think that Shadow of the Beast was one of the titles that wouldn't work because of the 68010 but it's so long ago I'm no longer sure. I remember going through all my software with the 68000 and the 68010 and I had a table that showed which ones worked, which didn't, and which could be fixed by running SuperDecigel first."

Accelerators and official documentation were much rarer in europe than the US, so I would imagine european games and demos are more likely to be affected than US ones.

[wbrejnia]

Imho Indivision is the best route. Pop it in, use almost any modern-ish (VGA-style) monitor, OS-independent. They usually run around $90-$95 new.

Mike,

I have to say a BIG THANKS for your advice/push to go with Indivision.
Couldn't be more Happier.

That SCART Adapter hasn't arrived, and it will go back in sealed box.

I was fooling around and peeked into Preferences.  Switched Video mode to Interlace.  WOW!

I certainly didn't expect the extra resolution without an additional Graphics card.

Amazing!!!  
I guess it's so good since I'm using a LCD monitor with Indivision.
I figure if I hooked up my Amiga Monitor I wouldn't get this, or I would see annoying flicker.



Thanks again.

What else haven't I yet discovered?

[wbrejnia]

Now it's OS3.1 (After getting good at WB1.2/WB1.3)

So for last couple of months, I learned WB1.2 Inside out (With Bridgeboard/Janus).

I got a feeling about WB1.3 and basically understand most of the differences.

Now with OS3.1 (I'm totally lost)

-> Where do I begin learning OS3.1?  (Trace STARTUP-SEQUENCE? and peek around?)

Only book I found is a German OS3.1 Manual.

--> Should I be getting Amiga Forever Plus Edition (Will that have Manual/Information?)

I'm terrified trying my Bridgeboard installs on this OS3.1 that came with GVP-SCSI drive (I may ruin things.  There is no un-install)

For now I'll just setup a Gotek WB1.2 Boot to get to bridgeboard.

--> What is good way to backup my current Hard Drive OS install?

Any pointers to links, resources, books would be appreciated.
I did a lot of googling and didn't find anything good yet.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Mike,

I have to say a BIG THANKS for your advice/push to go with Indivision.
Couldn't be more Happier.

That SCART Adapter hasn't arrived, and it will go back in sealed box.

I was fooling around and peeked into Preferences.  Switched Video mode to Interlace.  WOW!

I certainly didn't expect the extra resolution without an additional Graphics card.

Amazing!!!  
I guess it's so good since I'm using a LCD monitor with Indivision.
I figure if I hooked up my Amiga Monitor I wouldn't get this, or I would see annoying flicker.

Correct.  With a typical Amiga monitor (e.g., a common 1084-series model) you would get a pretty awful flickering screen.  Indivision solves that by doubling the output frequency (with a compatible monitor, obviously).

Don't forget with 3.1 you can also try 8 color screens, 16 color screens, Workbench of varying resolutions, (recommend looking into MagicWB, the Peter K. icon library, Rebel palette, HighGfx/SuperPlus/HD720 screenmodes, maybe even play around with AutoScroll, etc.), but keep an eye on that chip ram!  In your one screenshot you can see you're already down to 392K free.

If you're interested in getting a custom look for your Workbench try looking at different people's screenshots and asking them what they're running.  Since once you get down to customizing, basically the sky's the limit, and no two Workbenches will look the same.  

[wbrejnia]

Yes, all there.  Looks good!  

I would still really recommend performing the mod to give yourself 1MB of chip ram, however.  (would leave you with 1MB chip and 8MB fast, which is about the most an unaccelerated, non-2MB Agnus-having, A2000 can support)

->Is this the MOD where you replace the on board Memory Chips (removing the current ones and replacing with Double capacity).  Basically upgrade from 512K to 1 MB onboard.
-> Plus a little bit of jumper work.

Get's me closer to a Rev 6 board without the    [[[[  ECS chips which would allow up to 2MB. (Wouldn't consider this ever)  ]]]

I read this somewhere during my googling.
Something like this http://www.nightfallcrew.com/30/09/2010/amiga-2000-pal-rev4-5-battery-1mb-chipram-upgrade/

Let me look into this.  (ie If chips easy to get).

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Memory chips on the board (1MB) remain the same, it's how they're addressed that changes.  You'd need to replace your existing Agnus chip (probably an 8370 or 8371) with an 8372, which is a drop-in replacement, then change a couple jumpers - one of which may be a solder pad, that either needs to be opened or closed.  I don't remember the details exactly, it's been years since I've done one, but should be pretty easy to google up.

The "piggyback" mod is something different - that's if you want to have 2MB of chip ram on the motherboard and don't want to do it via a "Megachip"-style upgrade.  It's a lot more work, from what I recall.

(see links in my text above for more info)

Edit - disregard that 5th bullet point in the Megachip link above, that part is not correct.

[wbrejnia]

Memory chips on the board (1MB) remain the same, it's how they're addressed that changes.

I think I get it. (maybe not)
The 1MB of memory I currently have on board (which currently is Address split) 512kB Chip and 512kB Fast, becomes 1MB Chip with the simple 8372 Agnus Chip Upgrade.
And the reason I would consider this is my GVP+8 board has 8MB of Fast Ram, so this would balance things up.
But if I pulled the GVP out, it would mess things up.  Correct?

[wbrejnia]

SCART to HDMI converter Arrived

So the converter Arrived, but I already love the Indivision Solution.


I'm stuck with the AmiKit Cable, but can return the Converter for Full Refund.

Thinking of trying it before I do.  Just to compare.