Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?

[EvilGuy]

Because then somebody else will break the machine for you. Seriously, if you connect a system to the internet today, and you do not keep the system up to date, then you're soon running into trouble.

Not every machine necessarily needs to be connected to the internet :-)

That's again the experience over and over again - which of the two models is more satisfactory *for you* is then of course another question.

Of course, and in my experience I've seen the most computer-illiterate people use Linux on a daily basis without any of the hassles you're describing. Upgrades and all that mess as well. These people are nowhere remotely close to what anyone would describe as a "developer".

If I really wanted to mess with them, I'd give them an AmigaOS 3.1 machine ;-)

[slaapliedje]

Not every machine necessarily needs to be connected to the internet :-)



Of course, and in my experience I've seen the most computer-illiterate people use Linux on a daily basis without any of the hassles you're describing. Upgrades and all that mess as well. These people are nowhere remotely close to what anyone would describe as a "developer".

If I really wanted to mess with them, I'd give them an AmigaOS 3.1 machine ;-)

You aren't kidding, even AmigaOS 3.9 has a ton of patches for it.  

Granted, it DOES make things much simpler to have a machine connected to either the Internet or networking in general.  I use an NFS mount for my Falcon to copy things I've gotten off the net over to it, since I still haven't set up a web browser on it.  It's either that or direct FTP which I also use.  It is much easier than trying to convert everything over to an .hfe and then install it that way (do that too, but it's annoying).

[cgutjahr]

Do you now the business practise of microsoft?

I certainly do, and I'm sure they didn't blackmail the original Windows owner into handing over the rights for free. Hence, it's not fair to compare them to Hyperion in this regard.

Not much to discuss here, AFAICT - I was just asking a rhetorical question.

Do you have a source available?

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking - do you want to know where you can find the settlement agreement?  A German summary is here:

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2009-12-00036-DE.html

the actual agreement can be found here:

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2007cv00631/143245/147/1.html

Just in case you're wondering what Amiga got out of this deal: according to my sources, this is indeed the only (still) valid agreement between "Amiga group" and Hyperion.

For my contributions, the time span is two years. For system component upgrades, however, the situation is much more complicated because you cannot separate the upgrade from the original component, even though the contract tried to do that in some convoluted sense I do not remember exactly.

You're right on the time span - I mixed that up. Ten years was the lifetime of the license from AInc, IIRC.

As for the rest - it's not complicated at all. You own your code, AInc owned their code. H&P owned neither part, they only had non-exclusive licenses. If your contract said anything else, you either f?cked up or you got paid a lot better than the people I talked to.

Most people could easily relicense their work to Hyperion a decade ago, that should give you an idea about how 'complicated' that whole situation is.

Thus, in particular, *I do not own* the Amiga Shell even though I made contributions to it for 3.9. I neither *own* layers.library.

Nobody ever claimed you did.

The problem is: You do need to care if you want to make it available public in any particular way.

There are people who don't care (you know one of them from discussions on this very forum), they'll release anyway - and 99,9% of the users won't notice. Again: I agree it's not ideal, but I don't think it's a big deal.

And no, I was never part of "warez" or "kool koderz" in any way.

Hence my use of "most of us".

[Methuselas]

So we are all hackers, users/developers... that all kind of blurs after a few decades.

Decades? Iggy, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you Yoda's age? I seem to remember you talking about hacking away on your first computer, the abacus. :roflmao::laughing:

[gertsy]

Print off the 3.1 source code into a physical document. Give it a title, and call it literature.
Then send it to China and have the title translated into Mandarin, get them to code it again. Then it will be free to distribute because nobody cares.

[Pat the Cat]

Print off the 3.1 source code into a physical document. Give it a title, and call it literature.
Then send it to China and have the title translated into Mandarin, get them to code it again.

The Chinese have a compiler for turning pure Mandarin into executable computer code?

Wow! That's some technology! :roflmao:

It's also kind of ironic, because the Chinese got quite a few technology breaks in the late 70s - from the British.

Apparently Mrs T sent over a team of volunteer IT academics to give them some boosters on chip manufacturing and similar "high tech" processes, as part of the Hong Kong settlement negotiations. They didn't arrive in one block - it was a trickle.

I met one of them a couple of years back. He was looking for somewhere to store or operate two container loads of manufacturing robots that he'd acquired in the decades he was there. The Chinese were no longer interested in such retro, backwards technology, as their own designs were far superior.

[gertsy]

What the title of a literary work?  Perhaps have another read of what I wrote. Maybe I need to translate it for you.

[fishy_fiz]

I've said this many, many times....
AROS is OS3.1 compatible. This doesn't mean "restricted to".
Exactly the same as MOS or OS4. It has its own advantages and disadvantages vs the other "NG" options, much as the reverse is true.
Some people know this and just like to repeat it like some sort of weird mantra, others simply aren't aware of this.
You all know which group you fall into.

[Pat the Cat]

What the title of a literary work?  Perhaps have another read of what I wrote. Maybe I need to translate it for you.

Maybe your English teacher should have told you, that when using the word "it", the convention is that it refers to the last noun OR the first usage of the word "it" in a sentence. The first "it" in that sentence was referring to a noun you had used earlier, "source code".

Or maybe they did tell you, and you ignored them,

[kamelito]

@Olsen
Is there any correlation between the leaked sources and the new 68k kickstart and wb updates?
Kamelito

[kamelito]

please remove double post due too poor connection in the train.

[giZmo350]

Print off the 3.1 source code into a physical document. Give it a title, and call it literature.
Then send it to China and have the title translated into Mandarin, get them to code it again. Then it will be free to distribute because nobody cares.

I'll take the gertsy challenge and give it a title. Prince John....  3.1 is a bit of a traitor. "It" betrays its early kin yet rules its serfs.

Per your instructions I have translated the title to Mandarin - well almost Mandarin... there's no Mandarin language to translate to in Google translate so here it is in traditional Chinese. http://www.google.com/url?q=https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hant/%25E7%25BA%25A6%25E7%25BF%25B0%25E7%258E%258B%25E5%25AD%2590&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjYpsiV_KfRAhUr0YMKHVaJCdkQFggUMAA&usg=AFQjCNHkRTudFdhj9U42JRYVU2fm9u8fEA

LOL.... This post is "open source" and I grant full use to the public. However any changes to this post must segway to subsequent posts.  :razz:

[slaapliedje]

I've said this many, many times....
AROS is OS3.1 compatible. This doesn't mean "restricted to".
Exactly the same as MOS or OS4. It has its own advantages and disadvantages vs the other "NG" options, much as the reverse is true.
Some people know this and just like to repeat it like some sort of weird mantra, others simply aren't aware of this.
You all know which group you fall into.

My point was that if the sources had been available much sooner as open source, AROS could have been spending that time on the 'not restricted to' part of development instead of reverse engineering.  AROS making AmigaOS multi-platform has taken a very long time.  I would absolutely love to be able to buy AROS ROMs and replace kickstart and have a modern version of AmigaOS running on my A4000D, but I don't think it's possible currently, since it would most likely break some compatibility.

[fishy_fiz]

Oh, absolutely. And I agree there.
I had no qualm with your post at all.
A certain other person however has been spewing the same old crap for years.
It gets tiring given he knows what the story is and does it still for some bizarre reason.
He seems to think (or at least pretends to so he can troll and antagonize) a lack of Reaction  in some AROS archs means AROS is 3.1 compatible only with no other ambitions. This is despite the fact he's been told many times that reaction and class act work on 68k AROS, and there's an openreaction that has had little interest shown due to a lack of interest in Reaction apps (and because there's next to nothing that uses reaction that inspires it to be worked on).

[Pat the Cat]

...  I would absolutely love to be able to buy AROS ROMs and replace kickstart and have a modern version of AmigaOS running on my A4000D, but I don't think it's possible currently, since it would most likely break some compatibility.

Hmmm... apparently, you can actually take .device files from a further release (designed for the same processor and similar hardware, mind you) and run it on an earlier system.

Not guaranteed, but it does generally work. You want big drive partitions (non boot) on 3.1?

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71766&page=2

[giZmo350]

Hmmm... apparently, you can actually take .device files from a further release (designed for the same processor and similar hardware, mind you) and run it on an earlier system.

Not guaranteed, but it does generally work. You want big drive partitions (non boot) on 3.1?

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71766&page=2

@PtC

Would you say you're totally full of sh!t or just partially? :rolleyes: