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Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« on: December 20, 2016, 03:59:25 PM »
Can I connect this to the Amiga 2000 internal serial header?
If yes, just need to know from what side? :confused:

 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 04:37:24 PM »
Quote from: RiP;817969
Can I connect this to the Amiga 2000 internal serial header?

While I cannot help you much on the cable, note that this serial header does not provide a second serial port. It is just a replication of the already available serial interface you have already a connector for in the chassis.

The internal serial header provides some additional signals you probably do not want to connect anything to, in specific, nothing that meets the standard PC serial interface. So I would be at least very careful about connecting anything to this header.
 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 05:32:26 PM »
I think the only thing ever designed to work with that port was a MIDI interface.  Like THoR says, I'd be very careful with the pinout on it - it's definitely not going to work with a standard PC serial port header, and it's not going to add an additional port.  Good luck!  :)
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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 05:40:05 PM »
Yes, I would leave that alone. What do you intend to use the serial port for?
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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2016, 05:49:28 PM »
No pinout is available for it? :confused:

Quote from: kolla;817981
Yes, I would leave that alone. What do you intend to use the serial port for?


I wanted to try it since my serial port doesn't send anything :(
 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2016, 06:01:36 PM »
Hm, that sounds strange, and chances are that if your serial port doesn't work, the internal one will not work either. What are you trying to communicate with?
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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2016, 06:08:08 PM »
Quote from: kolla;817986
Hm, that sounds strange, and chances are that if your serial port doesn't work, the internal one will not work either. What are you trying to communicate with?


I have explained it here: :(

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=817962&postcount=14
 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2016, 07:40:10 PM »
Oh, I see. Sucks :(

This stuff is one of the reasons why I have switched to RS232 bluetooth adapters for the Amiga serial ports, too easy to fry the CIAs when you connect computers over direct serial cables - electricity does not fly over wireless.
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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2016, 08:13:17 PM »
Quote from: kolla;817995
Oh, I see. Sucks :(

This stuff is one of the reasons why I have switched to RS232 bluetooth adapters for the Amiga serial ports, too easy to fry the CIAs when you connect computers over direct serial cables - electricity does not fly over wireless.


Since I know, CIAs don't do anything with RS232 :rolleyes:
 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2016, 08:24:07 PM »
OK, you decide for yourself :)

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2016, 09:07:19 PM »
I swapped CIA chips but no luck.
 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2016, 09:17:13 PM »
Quote from: RiP;817987
I have explained it here: :(

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=817962&postcount=14
As explained in this post, my best bet is that the serial line drivers got bust (the 1488 and 1489), or the +/-12V supply voltage has dropped out. The internal header doesn't fix this, it's going to exactly the same line drivers.

While the 1488/89 are hard to damage, they are the first victim that die (instead of Paula) if you connect something bad on the serial port.

BTW, yes, the CIAs have almost nothing to do with the serial port. They control the additional, uhm, control signals like DTR,RTS and CTS, but not the actual serial data. Thus, even if something is wrong with the CIAs, you would still be able to use serial I/O, just without any hardware handshake on either (the PC and the Amiga) side.
 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2016, 11:21:41 AM »
Thank you, would you show me 1488/1489? and how to check the 12v?
 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2017, 10:21:31 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;818003
As explained in this post, my best bet is that the serial line drivers got bust (the 1488 and 1489), or the +/-12V supply voltage has dropped out. The internal header doesn't fix this, it's going to exactly the same line drivers.

While the 1488/89 are hard to damage, they are the first victim that die (instead of Paula) if you connect something bad on the serial port.

BTW, yes, the CIAs have almost nothing to do with the serial port. They control the additional, uhm, control signals like DTR,RTS and CTS, but not the actual serial data. Thus, even if something is wrong with the CIAs, you would still be able to use serial I/O, just without any hardware handshake on either (the PC and the Amiga) side.


I remember that COM got bad after crashing in Amiga Explorer. It can still receive but can't send any data.
Anyway to check if 1488/89 are healthy or not?
 

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Re: Amiga 2000 internal serial header
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2017, 07:35:47 AM »
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Anyway to check if 1488/89 are healthy or not?




For a start make sure that the +12V and -12V supplies are valid, they won't work otherwise.

You should measure approx. +12V on pin 14 of both ICs.  And about -12V on 1488 pin 1, and on 1489 pin 7.

A simple serial test is to get any terminal emulator (e.g. Term), set serial.device, unit 0, 9600 baud, no flow control and disable local echo.  Link pins 2 and 3 on the serial port to loop TX and RX data, then type anything on the keyboard.  If TX and RX data are working, you'll see the key presses echoed on the screen which will stop when the loop is removed.

If not, look on 1488 input pin 9 with an oscilloscope, you should see a 5Vp-p waveform with each key press.  Bit period = 100µSec.  That means the UART in Paula is generating serial data.

Then look at 1488 output pin 8, you should see a 24Vp-p waveform of the opposite polarity as the input.

If that's working, then check the same thing on the RX data path, with the serial port pin 2 & 3 loop in place.  i.e. 24Vp-p RS232 signal level on 1489 pin 1, and 5Vp-p TTL signal level on pin 3.

It helps to look at page 4 of the schematic to understand the circuit.  The 1488/1489 are simply a voltage level shifter and inverter.  Spares are cheap and readily available from the likes of Element14, Radio Spares, Digi-Key, Mouser, etc.

If there's valid RX serial data on the Paula RXD pin and it's not being decoded, it could be an interrupt problem.  But that's another conversation.