Phase 5 Digital Products comeback?

[psxphill]

I thought a reason why we would never see reruns of these boards was because making them RHOS compliant would be impossible.

You can apply for exemptions from RHOS & you can also use non-RHOS for spares.

RHOS appears to be pragmatic as the environmental impact of just throwing away or melting down all the old 68060 rather than just reusing them would play a part.

I think you can also get exemptions if you are just a small hobby market.

[Rotzloeffel]

So you're saying no one ever ran iFusion,

I installed MacOS 9 PPC with Ifusion on my A4000! It is very buggy and unstable!

resolution is limited to 8bit
you can only use scsi.device! No other controllers are supported
Parititons can only be 1GB
Network is not working

but! It works....

[LaserBack]

I installed MacOS 9 PPC with Ifusion on my A4000! It is very buggy and unstable!

resolution is limited to 8bit
you can only use scsi.device! No other controllers are supported
Parititons can only be 1GB
Network is not working

but! It works....

 have you tried ifusion on winuae?
do you know if works there?

[Iggy]

Totally agree, I personally have zero interest in anything PPC, especially on a classic.

While I agree with you that PPCs (at least as they exist now) are fairly pointless on the Amiga, the rest of your sentiment has been bugging me since it was posted.
Were we to do nothing but sit here focused on legacy systems, our community would face its continued diminishment.

A GOOD PPC expansion for the Amiga wouldn't rely on something as underpowered as a 603e or 604e cpu or a PC emulating those processors.

For that matter, a better 68K cpu wouldn't be based on something significantly slower than current state of the art silicon (like an fpga).

[wawrzon]

Were we to do nothing but sit here focused on legacy systems, our community would face its continued diminishment.

the comunity faces revival currently thanks to propositions in what you call "legacy systems" sector. it is ppc focus that led to dimnishment all these years..

[Rotzloeffel]

have you tried ifusion on winuae?
do you know if works there?

NO....

What is WINUAE ? :laughing:

[Iggy]

the comunity faces revival currently thanks to propositions in what you call "legacy systems" sector. it is ppc focus that led to dimnishment all these years..

Yeah...because there are so many new legacy Amigas entering the market right now, right?

Outside of Jens proposal, what have you got? FPGAs?

Good luck with that.
I have my legacy hardware, but I'm not counting on it evolving too far in the future.

I may buy one of the Vampire2 boards for my A2000, but that is still going to be so much slower than my PPC hardware.

[kreciu]

PPC on classic Amiga is quite expensive way of running ppc datatypes under ClassicOS. It is $800+ mp3 player or slow .jpg viewer .

Yes, I know there is a Quake PPC...

I could get new PPC board for my classic for about $300

[Iggy]

PPC on classic Amiga is quite expensive way of running ppc datatypes under ClassicOS. It is $800+ mp3 player or slow .jpg viewer .

Yes, I know there is a Quake PPC...

I could get new PPC board for my classic for about $300

 
 I'm not quite sure what you mean by the last line (is it missing an 'if'?), but yes, I agree that its a way to expensive way to expand an Amiga.
 
 One thing I do like about the fpga custom 68K approach is that the cpu doesn't have to be a perfect copy of the 68K cpu (especially the '040 and '60). So of the weirder incompatibilities (like the Zorro III bus and the '040s use of burst) can be ironed out.
 
 And fpgas could always lead to faster ASICs.
 
 PPC are better suited to OS4, MorphOS, Linux and other alternatives.
 
 And I can run quake (or better games) on those systems, or PCs.
 
 I like having alternatives, which is why I don't mind tweaking the sensibilities of the traditionalists.
 
 Its kind of like my being a registered Republican, but not being anywhere near dumb enough to vote for Trump.

[utri007]

I'm afraid that some bechmarks makes people to wait too much for Vampire performance. My bet is that real life performance is about a 100-120mhz 68060. It woun't be something like 300mhz 68060.

[Iggy]

I'm afraid that some bechmarks makes people to wait too much for Vampire performance. My bet is that real life performance is about a 100-120mhz 68060. It woun't be something like 300mhz 68060.

 Sounds about right. Maybe slightly faster, but not by too much.
 Unless the newer fpga is significantly faster than the one they have already shown.
 
 Saying its going to perform like a 300 MHz '060 is about as stupid as the AmigaWorld comments I saw forecasting Tabors performance exceeding a Quad G5.
 
 Things like that give unnaturally high expectations.

[kreciu]

If I want raw speed of my Amiga I run UAE, problem is that there is no software I can use on this "Amiga" or real Amiga.

To play with Amiga hardware there is plenty parts, extension and combinations to keep me busy for some time. If (when?) I will get my PPC for A1200 for good price, I will play with it, but I don't really have to get it.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Seems like folks would rather just bicker about the same old nonsense on this thread, but if anyone still following is actually interested in the Phase 5 "comeback", here's a screenshot of a couple interesting comments posted recently on their Facebook page (for the benefit of people who don't have FB):

[paul1981]

Seems like folks would rather just bicker about the same old nonsense on this thread, but if anyone still following is actually interested in the Phase 5 "comeback", here's a screenshot of a couple interesting comments posted recently on their Facebook page (for the benefit of people who don't have FB):

It looks promising. :knuddel:

[Matt_H]

@ Mike

Indeed, I don't know why we as a community can get so worked up about these things. Either one day we wake up and see that Amigakit has Blizzards in stock, or we don't. If so, hooray, if not, it's no different from today

[Iggy]

It looks promising. :knuddel:

Well, the 'product list' promises a lot anyway.

"Products

Cyberstorm PPC 604e
Cyberstorm MK3 68060
Cyberstorm MK2 68060
Cyberstorm MK1 68060
Cybervision PPC Permedia 2...
Blizzard 2604e PPC
Blizzard 2060 68060
Blizzard 2040 68040
Blizzard PPC 603e+
Blizzard 1260 68060
Blizzard 1260 II
Blizzard 1240
Blizzard 1240 II
Blizzard 1230
Blizzard 1230 II
Blizzard 1230 III
Blizzard 1230 IV
Blizzard 1220
Blizzard 1200/4/8
Blizzard SCSI Kit
BVision PPC Permedia 2
CyberVision 64 3D
CyberVision 64 Z3
Fastlane Z3
R2 GO MVP TMS320 Z3
G-Rex PCI 3000/4000
G-Rex PCI 4000T
G-Rex PCI 1200"



Hmm, seems to cover real Phase5 hardware, while the facebook page mentions schematics.
If they don't have the original board layouts, schematics won't provide them a lot of clues as to how to build these.