A500 with Vampire 2 on Ebay!!!

[spaceman88]

Maybe Kipper2K and Majsta should put 1 or 2 on EBay every month to increase cash flow and do a small increase in price for the rest of us who don't have $800 to spend on retro computing.

[ToddH]

Maybe Kipper2K and Majsta should put 1 or 2 on EBay every month to increase cash flow and do a small increase in price for the rest of us who don't have $800 to spend on retro computing.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe have members of the team sign the boards and sell them on eBay to raise money.

BTW, I'm on the waiting list for the 600 version and I have no problem paying more.

[wawrzon]

That's what I was thinking. Maybe have members of the team sign the boards and sell them on eBay to raise money.

BTW, I'm on the waiting list for the 600 version and I have no problem paying more.

In fact why not sell each and every of these cards via ebay or some bidding market. The price will simply be the result of demand and delivery. Trusted contributors can expect a special offer. And the development would be secured. Wouldnt that be fair? Especially instead of supporting speculants?

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I would have suggested selling these through a distributor such as Amigakit.  Sure, it might bump up the price a bit (because they'd need a cut), but it would insulate you from the stress of having to deal with the money, and also reassure your customers that they can pay with a credit card, instead of having to register and go through the "waitlist" process on Amibay.  IMHO some people are still a little hesitant to buy things on that site, when it's much easier to just visit a webpage, check stock/availability on an item, and then plunk down a CC #.  My .02 cents.  

Good luck, in any case, and thank you for all your efforts & hard work!  

[zylesea]

In fact why not sell each and every of these cards via ebay or some bidding market. The price will simply be the result of demand and delivery. Trusted contributors can expect a special offer. And the development would be secured. Wouldnt that be fair? Especially instead of supporting speculants?

Because market rules are not always the solution. I appreciate the fact, that they want to keep prices low. Wealthier ppl don't always deserve the exclusivness they are easily able buy for money.
IMHO it's good though to put a limited share of boards to ebay for quick access for those who can spend the money. Would benefit all - those who don't want to queue for a board can buy themselves out and the higher price will benefit all those ppl calmly willing to wait plus the developers.

[wawrzon]

I would have suggested selling these through a distributor such as Amigakit.  Sure, it might bump up the price a bit (because they'd need a cut), but it would insulate you from the stress of having to deal with the money, and also reassure your customers that they can pay with a credit card, instead of having to register and go through the "waitlist" process on Amibay.  IMHO some people are still a little hesitant to buy things on that site, when it's much easier to just visit a webpage, check stock/availability on an item, and then plunk down a CC #.  My .02 cents.  

Good luck, in any case, and thank you for all your efforts & hard work!  

Doesnt look like selling through a distributor would result in better pricing while the autors actually receiving more funds.

[wawrzon]

Because market rules are not always the solution. I appreciate the fact, that they want to keep prices low. Wealthier ppl don't always deserve the exclusivness they are easily able buy for money.
IMHO it's good though to put a limited share of boards to ebay for quick access for those who can spend the money. Would benefit all - those who don't want to queue for a board can buy themselves out and the higher price will benefit all those ppl calmly willing to wait plus the developers.

Right. I appreciate the attitude as well. Maybe my proposal reaches too far. Just making strategies complex provdes room for misuse.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

There's a huuuuge discussion on this topic going on over on one of the Amiga Facebook forums (why the Facebook forums are more popular than sites like this I'll never know...  Well wait, I do know, it just annoys me).  Gist of which was that one of the price gougers was someone who hadn't even paid for the accelerator, but was a dev who'd gotten it for free in payment for doing some data entry work for the developers.  Another of the people selling one (the guy who was including it with the junky A500, I think) was actually authorized to sell the thing, and was doing it as a test to gauge interest on that site.  Anyhow, I'm paraphrasing, so I'll just leave you with this picture that someone just posted over there.  Enjoy!  

[paul1981]

The Vampire is not a Blizzard or Apollo 1260. By this I simply mean that old and out of production hardware will always be objects of desire to collectors. They're priced high because they are rare and original 1990's hardware with real Motorola CPU's.
Even if the Vampire exceeded the 68060 performance by a factor of 1,000,000 times, it still wouldn't affect the cost of those original 68060 cards in todays second hand market. The Vampire market and the 'authentically classic' market can and will co-exist together.

Vampire is a great product without a shadow of a doubt, I hope it will take the Amiga forwards onto great things.

[kneehighspy]

thats the problem with kipper2k, he has awesome stuff we would love to have and no real ways to get it out to the masses in a timely and profitable manner for them, they have and do owe it to themselves for all they do!

i still want a couple of his 8mb ide boards for my amiga 1000s.  its great to have kipper2k and his projects, i would like to get an a500 and accelerator to add to my collection one day also.

hopefully kipper2k and crew can figure out a way to keep things going, give them more time for themselves and family and still make a tidy profit for all their hard work and time.

//kneehighspy

[ToddH]

And here's the latest on the price increase...

http://www.kipper2k.com/updates.html

[curtis]

Adding more fuel to the fire (napalm?), I found this today on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262632677230

[psxphill]

Even if the Vampire exceeded the 68060 performance by a factor of 1,000,000 times, it still wouldn't affect the cost of those original 68060 cards in todays second hand market.

If vampire supported 68060+fpu+mmu and sold for a couple of hundred euros then I think it likely would hurt the price of the accelerators with real 68060's in them. But it looks like they are solving the issue by restricting the supply of vampires and pushing the price up (plus the real 68060 is still the only way to get the fpu+mmu).

[Acill]

@ Kipper2k

I sent an email a while back offer to help assemble for you guys. Never heard back. The offer still stands. I wasn't asking for a job, just offering to help with a couple boards a week or so. If anyone on the team is coming to Amiwest and wants to meet me just ask.

[IanP]

Moving from (s)low volume to faster board house assembly is the right thing to do but I assume it does mean lots of the "boring" test and admin is left to do with maybe (hopefully) only a bit of occasional rework.

Vampire boards will hopefully bring other opportunities for more third party hardware for classic Amigas and stand alone systems.

[magnetic]

The Vampire is not a Blizzard or Apollo 1260. By this I simply mean that old and out of production hardware will always be objects of desire to collectors. They're priced high because they are rare and original 1990's hardware with real Motorola CPU's.
Even if the Vampire exceeded the 68060 performance by a factor of 1,000,000 times, it still wouldn't affect the cost of those original 68060 cards in todays second hand market. The Vampire market and the 'authentically classic' market can and will co-exist together.

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Also considering that the Apollo core hasn't full MMU and FPU yet the native 060 accel is better. I had the original vampire v1 it was really cool. Kipper and majsta (and gunne and the others ) have worked har don this its a passion project. It sounds like they need more help with manufacturing and distribution. Its difficult to do testing, fabrication, and customer service, shipping, and fulfillment.